Joe DeFuria
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antlers said:Code:Suppose you have two populations, A + B. A sexual relationship between a member of A and a member of B may be considered "natural" if and only if there exists at least one member of A, Ax, and one member of B, By, such that a sexual relationship between Ax and By could result in offspring in the customary way.
This is an interesting premise with many possible ramifications, depending on how you define the populations A + B. If you define A as Joe de Furia, and B as "Any sheep", you get a conclusion that I think most of us would agree with
However, Theorem 1 clearly breaks down depending on how you define the populations. If you define A as "all men" and B as "post-menopausal women" you would seem to indicate that any sexual relationship between a man and a post-menopausal woman would be unnatural.
The problem with your analysis, is that I am not "arbitrarily" defining the A and B populations for convenience. The debate is about sexuality. Males and females (groups A and B) are in fact defined by their physical sexual organs.
Code:[Theorem 3] where the populations A + B each consist of all the members of a single species.
My question to the Theorem 2 fans out there is this: what logical reason, independent from a pre-existing conviction that homosexuality is unnatural, would you use to pick Theorem 2 over Theorem 3?
As stated above. Theorem 2 logically separates individuals by the pyhsical charateristics that define sexual gender.
In other words, insisting that Theorem 2 is preferable to Theorem 3 is no different than saying "Homosexuality is unnatural because I define 'natural' to not include homosexuality."
I disagree. Theorem 2 is preferable to theorem 1 because theorem 2 accounts for the physical, naturally occuring separation between sexual gender.
What you've done is offer a non-circular but fatally flawed definition of "natural" as it applies to sexual relationships [Theorem 1] and elide it with a harder-to-argue with, yet circular, definition [Theorem 2]. I've tried to make this as clear as possible although I suspect my explanation may still have gone past some of you.
I understand what you're trying to say. I just don't agree with it.
I respect your right to define "natural" and "unnatural" any way you choose...
Thanks for that.