Can I still get 1080i on the PS3 without using HDMI?

[CassidyIzABeast]

I'm trying to prepare for next gen graphics with an HDTV but the one I'm looking at purchasing doesn't support HDMI, so from the specs below would I still be able to play games in HD?



# HD component video inputs
Info unavailable

S-video inputs ?
2

# A/V inputs (composite)
3

# RF inputs
1

DVI (Digital Video Interface) ?
No

HDMI inputs
No

VGA/SVGA input ?
No

 

[BlueTsunami]

Its not certain but i'm thinking that the PS3 should be usable with DVI if the DVI slot (on the TV) is HDCP compliant.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Its not certain but i'm thinking that the PS3 should be usable with DVI if the DVI slot (on the TV) is HDCP compliant.

problem is it says the tv doiesnt have DVI what about composite? could it work through that? if not I might just have to find a different tv.

 

[Ty]

problem is it says the tv doiesnt have DVI what about composite? could it work through that? if not I might just have to find a different tv.

I think for HD resolutions (720p or 1080i up) you need Component at the very least.

That said, we still don't know exactly how the PS3 will output DRM (copy protected) material (movies) which just might require HDCP. If so, that pretty much means a digital connect (DVI, HDMI, or the upcoming VP).

Frankly if you're waiting for the PS3, then wait a bit before getting the TV. I doubt you're missing much right now.

 

[wireframe]

Frankly if you're waiting for the PS3, then wait a bit before getting the TV. I doubt you're missing much right now.

I agree with this. HDTVs are going to become better and cheaper over the next year. The one you are looking at is 27 inches CRT. I really doubt you will see much benefit from 1080i on a screen like that. I wouldn't evne consider that particular unit HDTV. It doesn't take itself very seriosuly when it doesn't even list component input. Wait.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

I agree with this. HDTVs are going to become better and cheaper over the next year. The one you are looking at is 27 inches CRT. I really doubt you will see much benefit from 1080i on a screen like that. I wouldn't evne consider that particular unit HDTV. It doesn't take itself very seriosuly when it doesn't even list component input. Wait.

Welp I went to magnavox's site and found that it does include component video input.

 

[scooby_dooby]

It doesn't have DVI or HDMI? And it's an HDTV?

A 27" can show HDTV just fine, you just have to sit about 3ft away from the screen

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

It doesn't have DVI or HDMI? And it's an HDTV?

A 27" can show HDTV just fine, you just have to sit about 3ft away from the screen

yeah, all it has is composite

on another note, I think my GPU blew, up I was overclocking then it locked up and now ati tool doesn't even recognize there's a card

 

[Mintmaster]

You must mean component, because composite is sufficient only for a VCR or an old camcorder. You won't get DVD quality over composite, let alone HDTV.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

You must mean component, because composite is sufficient only for a VCR or an old camcorder. You won't get DVD quality over composite, let alone HDTV.

yeah thats what I mean, my mistake:smile:

 

[NVNDA]

Don't worry there are expensive boxes that will convert HDMI (killing HDCP) to analog component or RGBHV if you have a older HD set. There's alot of useful info over at avsforum.com in the CRT Projectors section.

 

[Fruitfrenzy]

If you buy an HDTV that doesn't have DVI or HDMI then it will likely be useless for HD-DVD or Blueray when they come along. It seems like a very bad investment to me.

 

[!eVo!-X Ant UK]

Hey Dude, as long as the TV has HD-Component inputs you'll be fine as component can carry 1080p

 

[mech]

If you buy an HDTV that doesn't have DVI or HDMI then it will likely be useless for HD-DVD or Blueray when they come along. It seems like a very bad investment to me.

"Useless" is a bit of an overstatement. Being able to watch 1080i on my TV with component is pretty rocking IMO. Blu-Ray recorders already output at 1080i over component. I doubt anyone is going to shoot themselves in the foot by not supporting analog connection methods for higher resolutions.

 

[MrWibble]

"Useless" is a bit of an overstatement. Being able to watch 1080i on my TV with component is pretty rocking IMO. Blu-Ray recorders already output at 1080i over component. I doubt anyone is going to shoot themselves in the foot by not supporting analog connection methods for higher resolutions.

Except that DRM schemes can't easily protect analog signals whereas digital can carry encryption - which is exactly why HDMI has HDCP.

I would expect that playback of HD content would require encryption and will not be enabled on analog output (or the content will be compromised in some way, such as being downscaled).

Also from what I've seen, component input quality is not always that great.

I would not seriously buy any kind of display device at this point without a good digital interface. I bought an HDTV two years ago and insisted on getting one with DVI+HDCP...

 

[croc hunter2]

Component has more than enough bandwidth to display 1080p, in fact Sony were showing Blu-Ray last CES using component to a 1080p display.

HDMI is only there for DRM.

Mr Wibble are you sure your HDCP is the right version. or can you upgrade it some way, because i have a sneaking feeling it may be out of date now.

Blu-ray is 1080p capable. Unfortunately there are very few 1080p available sets out there at the moment and most are somewhat expensive.

So if you want a 1080p set wait.

 

[Shark Sandwich]

Don't waste your money on that TV. It's not even 16:9 (widescreen) aspect ratio. That means that if you want to watch 1080i or 720p material (which are 16:9 by definition) you will either have to watch them in letterboxed mode or use a zoom mood that cuts part of the picture off the sides.

Also, as mentioned before, you won't be able to watch Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movies in high definition without DVI or HDMI.

If you're really dying for an HDTV right this minute for a decent price you might want to consider one of the 26 inch widescreen models like this one. Even though the screen size is smaller than that one you linked to, because it is 16:9, you will be using the entire screen area when watching HD material.

Anyway, whatever you choose to buy, don't get anything without DVI or HDMI input, and don't get anything that isn't 16:9.

 

[Fruitfrenzy]

"Useless" is a bit of an overstatement. Being able to watch 1080i on my TV with component is pretty rocking IMO. Blu-Ray recorders already output at 1080i over component. I doubt anyone is going to shoot themselves in the foot by not supporting analog connection methods for higher resolutions.

I don't expect HD-DVD or Blueray players to support unencrypted output of prerecorded HD content when they properly go into production in exactly the same way the standard DVD players only output the signal with Macrovision copy protection (unless they have been modified).

The film studios have too much at stake and far too much paranoia to allow unprotected HD content out.

As has been mentioned previously component output does not provide the level of protection that the movie studios will demand.

 

[Ty]

Component has more than enough bandwidth to display 1080p, in fact Sony were showing Blu-Ray last CES using component to a 1080p display.

You sure that Component has enough bandwidth to display 1080p? One thing is for sure, most Component Switches (on receivers) won't.

Also Component won't carry HDCP, which means BR & HD-DVD devices might not display at 1080p (or maybe even 720p/1080i).

 

[!eVo!-X Ant UK]

You sure that Component has enough bandwidth to display 1080p? One thing is for sure, most Component Switches (on receivers) won't.

Also Component won't carry HDCP, which means BR & HD-DVD devices might not display at 1080p (or maybe even 720p/1080i).

Yea component can carry 1080p just fine, and as for the receivers i think they need 100mhz component inputs. Infact most of the new ones have them....Denon, Yamaha, Harmon Kardon...all have 100mhz inputs.