Baseless Next Generation Rumors with no Technical Merits [post E3 2019, pre GDC 2020] [XBSX, PS5]

[Jay]

Journalists wasn't told 12TF
As far as I'm aware no devs have come out and said 12TF

And many journalists did ask for clarification and wasn't able to get it.
It's not about trying to get the exact TF figure, it was simply to confirm if they meant TF or twice performance of 1X which doesn't necessarily mean 12TF.

The actual 12TF is from insiders/leaks still.
One of the reasons that most have settled on 12TF is because of how the xsx looks, as in it looks like it was built to handle the 12TF heat etc

I’ll look around for it again but I recall DF, Thurott, a Windows Central all citing a targeted 12 TF;

That's not what MS told them, it's what they heard.

 

[N2O]

Did any devs told us about PS5 and XSX TF yet?
Hell are any devs give us any details about PS5 and XSX other than "guys it's a big jump/nah it's not a big jump"?

 

[iroboto]

That's not what MS told them, it's what they heard.

correct. Because if they were told by MS - it would be official numbers and they've never claimed official numbers.

People just wanted to know where the 12 TF number came from and why no one is expecting more than that, but definitely okay with a little under.

 

[temesgen]

It was a reasonable conjecture we all made about "when you do the math, it's twice the raw gpu performance of XB1X" but when the journalist asked a simple follow up "you mean the math being 2 x 6TF = 12TF" he refused to answer and evaded.

There's been more interviews and it's still not clear what he meant. Is it more? Is it less? Is it a performance figure? Who knows?

380 mm2 is kind of short for 60 CUs (4 disabled) and 8 zen2. But it's not impossible the measurement was wrong or the clock higher than we think. Then we get questionable thermals without 7nm+. So if they reach 12TF they must be on 7nm+.

Isn't two times roughly 10TF given the relative difference in performance between GCN and Navi?

 

[BRiT]

Deja-vu, all over again and again and again.

 

[MrFox]

Let's not repeat this shameful trust in unreliable journalists with a history.

Believing this....
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/rumo...-xbox-2017-coming-more.1223679/post-204620022

Leads to this....
https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/middle-generation-console-upgrade-discussion-scorpio-4pro.57982/

They continue to succeed because they get tiny snipets of truth once in a while, and the rest are guesses and from the echo chamber and speculations. Or the occasional broken clock being right twice a day.

 

[BRiT]

Likewise, we should assume there is no one with solid information who are willing to share it publicly.

 

[MrFox]

Likewise, we should assume there is no one with solid information who are willing to share it publicly.

I can only imagine the hardcore NDAs applying at this point in time. Your life is over if you're caught leaking, you become unemployable in the industry. And for what, a few fake internet points?

 

[ultragpu]

Yup, MS decided to put in a 12TF GPU just for giggles.

Until they abandon the legacy ware known as the Xbox One family.

 

[BRiT]

At least they won't be abandoning over 100 million consumers.

 

[ultragpu]

At least they won't be abandoning over 100 million consumers.

And that's where the crossgen and exclusive nextgen titles come in, like it has always been . When have we ever seen a major riot or discontent from those millions of consumers? Never. The crossover is as smooth and seamless as Anne Hathaway in her Catwoman suit. MS done fucked up on this one.

 

[BRiT]

Look at you, foretelling the future that hasn't even happened yet. You trying to be a prophet of your own religion?

 

[Tkumpathenurpahl]

MS done fucked up on this one.

How so?

 

[N2O]

How so?

They don't follow Sony=they fucked up.
For some people.

 

[ultragpu]

I'm just trusting my own gut instinct regarding this "no one left behind" stupidity. Just look at all the crossgen titles released this gen and compare them to the native current gen titles.
For the best looking crossgen titles in the first couple of years we got.
https://images.gamewatcherstatic.com/image/file/5/0b/76955/maxresdefault.jpg
https://images.gamewatcherstatic.com/image/file/4/ef/76954/2369154-bf4_screen_01.png
https://www.gamereactor.eu/media/11/_1911153b.jpg
vs the pure current gen titles
https://abload.de/img/25989447961_257f551c9nmkim.png https://abload.de/img/20868771894_37f8bb843urk69.jpg
https://abload.de/img/20494756923_fe4d01afa2ajdb.png
http://egmr.net/wp-content/gallery/...ous-ss/infamous-second-son-egmr-10.jpg?24e25d
This kind of difference would probably carry out for the first couple of years and mask the true capability of the XsX from consumers, which would create a bad image for Microsoft despite having the likely power edge. Heck I could be wrong but if you do the math..

MOD EDIT: Don't inline redonk screenshots, use URLs instead.

 

[BRiT]

Consumers don't have any idea about the various level of graphical differences, only forum goers do. Everything will be fine.

Also, I suggest you do the same but with launch-year exclusives. Compare them to current cross-platform games. They pale in comparison too. Not even launch year exclusives can stand by current cross-platform games when it comes to graphical fidelity.

 

[N2O]

I'm just trusting my own gut instinct regarding this "no one left behind" stupidity. Just look at all the crossgen titles released this gen and compare them to the native current gen titles.
For the best looking crossgen titles in the first couple of years we got.
https://images.gamewatcherstatic.com/image/file/5/0b/76955/maxresdefault.jpg
https://images.gamewatcherstatic.com/image/file/4/ef/76954/2369154-bf4_screen_01.png
https://www.gamereactor.eu/media/11/_1911153b.jpg
vs the pure current gen titles
https://abload.de/img/25989447961_257f551c9nmkim.png https://abload.de/img/20868771894_37f8bb843urk69.jpg
https://abload.de/img/20494756923_fe4d01afa2ajdb.png
http://egmr.net/wp-content/gallery/...ous-ss/infamous-second-son-egmr-10.jpg?24e25d
This kind of difference would probably carry out for the first couple of years and mask the true capability of the XsX from consumers, which would create a bad image for Microsoft despite having the likely power edge. Heck I could be wrong but if you do the math..

MOD EDIT: Don't inline redonk screenshots, use URLs instead.

Why you sound like they will make cross-gen titles for 10 years?
It's first and maybe second year, that means mostly only one game for each first party studios will be cross-gen.

And for consumers? they mostly only give a damn about resolution and maybe framerate(and maybe loading time for the first time), do you even think they will care about what kind of technical features the game going to use? it just buzz words for them.

*btw ROTR max setting is way better than this.

 

[temesgen]

I'm just trusting my own gut instinct regarding this "no one left behind" stupidity. Just look at all the crossgen titles released this gen and compare them to the native current gen titles.
For the best looking crossgen titles in the first couple of years we got.
https://images.gamewatcherstatic.com/image/file/5/0b/76955/maxresdefault.jpg
https://images.gamewatcherstatic.com/image/file/4/ef/76954/2369154-bf4_screen_01.png
https://www.gamereactor.eu/media/11/_1911153b.jpg
vs the pure current gen titles
https://abload.de/img/25989447961_257f551c9nmkim.png https://abload.de/img/20868771894_37f8bb843urk69.jpg
https://abload.de/img/20494756923_fe4d01afa2ajdb.png
http://egmr.net/wp-content/gallery/...ous-ss/infamous-second-son-egmr-10.jpg?24e25d
This kind of difference would probably carry out for the first couple of years and mask the true capability of the XsX from consumers, which would create a bad image for Microsoft despite having the likely power edge. Heck I could be wrong but if you do the math..

MOD EDIT: Don't inline redonk screenshots, use URLs instead.

Third party titles will be coded to the lowest common denominator with improvement graphics probably centered around fps, rt and resolution which isn't noticable to anyone but console warriors and gaming journalist (because it's easy to write about).

As I said earlier we're not likely to see massive differences in AI or level design, the games will be downgraded to what works cross platform.

Just like now, when you play current generation titles in isolation on base Xbox or PS4 third party titles are largely indistinguishable. The next generation won't see massive differences either.

 

[Nesh]

Just out of curiosity. what AMD cards are out there with 56CUs or about to be released with 56CUs? And do the specs agree with what we expect from Series X?

 

[Deleted member 13524]

what AMD cards are out there with 56CUs

Vega 56.

or about to be released with 56CUs?

Big Navi is rumored to be 80CU total.

And do the specs agree with what we expect from Series X?

What are we expecting from SeriesX?