Avalon Beta

Not yet. I might download it tonight and give it a whirl on the test rig to see if there is actually some previewing of the 3D interface. It'll be interesting to see if it causes current graphics boards to spin up to full fan speeds as its using the 3D pipeline.
 
Dave, this is a Avalon preview and not a preview of the new 3D desktop.

The new desktop needs DX 9.L aka WGF 1.0.
 
What exactly is "Avalon" and how badly will it screw up my XP pro SP2 install?

(Heck, I was planning on a re-build soon anyways. :rolleyes: ;) )
 
http://news.com.com/Microsoft+previews+Avalon+graphics+engine/2100-1012_3-5537314.html

Although Avalon is a key part of Windows' future, it is something the average computer user will never touch directly. Instead, it's an improved method of dealing with graphics, designed to let developers write snazzier-looking applications.

The preview version works on both Windows XP and Windows Server 2003. However, Microsoft warned developers that the code in the current version is pretty rough. The company recommended that it not be used even on a primary development computer, with bugs likely and a good chance users would eventually have to reinstall their operating system once they were done with the Avalon preview.
 
Thanks. So I should install it if I want to bork my computer up, but it won't let me play with it or do anything.

Hmmmm, seems a tad "lose/lose"-ish viewed from that perspective. :?
 
I'm pretty sure it wants you to install a beta version of .net to boot.

Unless you're doing dev work... it's not going to be that exciting. :?
 
Demirug said:
Dave, this is a Avalon preview and not a preview of the new 3D desktop.

The new desktop needs DX 9.L aka WGF 1.0.
Actually it doesn't, it works just "fine" with DX9.0c, or was it even .0b
Okay, it doesn't work fine at all, but it works

Here's a shot I took, it's damn buggy, as you can see (the greenish borders should NOT look like that for example, in fact they shouldn't even be there, not to mention the effects are quite jaggy most of the time (running on 9550 128MB 128bit)

lh1.jpg
 
Kaotik said:
Demirug said:
Dave, this is a Avalon preview and not a preview of the new 3D desktop.

The new desktop needs DX 9.L aka WGF 1.0.
Actually it doesn't, it works just "fine" with DX9.0c, or was it even .0b
Okay, it doesn't work fine at all, but it works

Here's a shot I took, it's damn buggy, as you can see (the greenish borders should NOT look like that for example, in fact they shouldn't even be there, not to mention the effects are quite jaggy most of the time (running on 9550 128MB 128bit)

looks like Longhorn. In this case it use DX 9.L.
 
Demirug said:
Kaotik said:
Demirug said:
Dave, this is a Avalon preview and not a preview of the new 3D desktop.

The new desktop needs DX 9.L aka WGF 1.0.
Actually it doesn't, it works just "fine" with DX9.0c, or was it even .0b
Okay, it doesn't work fine at all, but it works

Here's a shot I took, it's damn buggy, as you can see (the greenish borders should NOT look like that for example, in fact they shouldn't even be there, not to mention the effects are quite jaggy most of the time (running on 9550 128MB 128bit)

looks like Longhorn. In this case it use DX 9.L.
I can recheck any time if you want, but I have a strong memory of the DirectX build being the exact same as DX9.0b or DX9.0c on WindowsXP
 
Kaotik said:
Demirug said:
Kaotik said:
Demirug said:
Dave, this is a Avalon preview and not a preview of the new 3D desktop.

The new desktop needs DX 9.L aka WGF 1.0.
Actually it doesn't, it works just "fine" with DX9.0c, or was it even .0b
Okay, it doesn't work fine at all, but it works

Here's a shot I took, it's damn buggy, as you can see (the greenish borders should NOT look like that for example, in fact they shouldn't even be there, not to mention the effects are quite jaggy most of the time (running on 9550 128MB 128bit)

looks like Longhorn. In this case it use DX 9.L.
I can recheck any time if you want, but I have a strong memory of the DirectX build being the exact same as DX9.0b or DX9.0c on WindowsXP

You don't need to check this I am know that it announce itself as a DX9.0 Version. DX 9.L is only an internal name that is used for DX9.0 builds for Longhorn. But this version have some additional features that the new windowmanager need to work. I am not sure if you have ever take a look in the DX9 SDK. But you will find an additional parameter called " pSharedHandle" on many of the Create* Methods. The SDK say that this parameters are reserved. In the case of DX9.L the get a meaning. There are some other changes too but they don't break the interfaces. Because of this it is still a DX 9.0. The DDK ist an other thing. With Longhorn MS changed the whole interface between the runtime and the driver. But I am thing that this will go to far here.
 
Thanks Kaotik, that's the first screenshot I've seen of the 3D interface.

I always wondered just what in the heck they were talking about, now I know...thank you. :)
 
digitalwanderer said:
Thanks Kaotik, that's the first screenshot I've seen of the 3D interface.

I always wondered just what in the heck they were talking about, now I know...thank you. :)
yeah, thanx for the shot, Kaotik
 
Cool, I was wondering if it actually did anything, lol.

Has it hosed your install yet? Or has it broken anything that you can see? I know it's rough and whatnot, but I don't mind slapping it on my primary install (hell, it's the only DX9-capable box I've got!), but it'd be nice to know if I'm gonna lose my install. :b
 
val_parthen said:
Cool, I was wondering if it actually did anything, lol.

Has it hosed your install yet? Or has it broken anything that you can see? I know it's rough and whatnot, but I don't mind slapping it on my primary install (hell, it's the only DX9-capable box I've got!), but it'd be nice to know if I'm gonna lose my install. :b

Haven't installed the Avalon beta, that's Longhorn (which includes Avalon, though) ;)

Only thing broken with it atm on my rig is WMP, since I apparently downloaded wrong version of WMP10 on it (the link was supposed to go for techincal beta of WMP10, but I think it was final version after all. hopefully all i need is bit of registry editing for fixing the problem (of unexpected wmp version))
 
Kaotik said:
Demirug said:
Dave, this is a Avalon preview and not a preview of the new 3D desktop.

The new desktop needs DX 9.L aka WGF 1.0.
Actually it doesn't, it works just "fine" with DX9.0c, or was it even .0b
Okay, it doesn't work fine at all, but it works

Here's a shot I took, it's damn buggy, as you can see (the greenish borders should NOT look like that for example, in fact they shouldn't even be there, not to mention the effects are quite jaggy most of the time (running on 9550 128MB 128bit)

lh1.jpg

Neat looking I guess, but why would I want something like this?
 
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