Are the Illuminati real?

[RussSchultz]

Russ, how would you seperate fact from fiction?

Personally I don't believe in the Illuminati or Illuminari simply because I don't have solid evidence of their existence.

Its pretty obvious the protocols are fake, mostly because they're copied from "an obscure satire on Napoleon III by Maurice Joly called "Dialogue aux Enfers entre Montesquieu et Machiavel" ("A Dialogue in Hell Between Montesquieu and Machiavelli")."

http://www.holocaust-history.org/short-essays/protocols.shtml

 

[DemoCoder]

digitalwanderer. That's a copyright violation. Tom Cruise and other Scientologists will be visiting your premises shortly.

BTW, if you do want to know of a group that has high profile figures in major sectors, look no further than Scientology. Just do a search on "Keith Henson" or "Tom Cruise Missile" if you want to see a real travesty of justice, a man stripped of his life because he investigated a Scientology murder cover up, and apparently because the Judge was in the pocket of the scientologists.

Oh, and search for scientology and "dead agent" if you want to see what the group is really up to.

 

[L233]

I think someone should investigate in what way the Rothschilds are involved in Scientology. I bet Scientology is just another liberal Illuminati plot to turn over control of the USA to the UN and to outlaw Christianity.

 

[K.I.L.E.R]

Scientology, the only religion where a world can be made livable through the detonation of atom bombs. :?

 

[digitalwanderer]

digitalwanderer. That's a copyright violation. Tom Cruise and other Scientologists will be visiting your premises shortly.

Thanks for the warning, I'll start putting up all my "XENU!!!!" signs in my yard and around the neighborhood again....it keeps 'em away better than garlic!

What scares me most about the scientologists is that people not only can believe that crap, but they will give up their whole lives to believe in that crap!

 

[Razor04]

What scares me most about the scientologists is that people not only can believe that crap, but they will give up their whole lives to believe in that crap!

Ok...I am going to be the naive one here...but what exactly is scientology or rather what are their beliefs. I have never bothered to research it and try to stay away from the whole religious thing (too many fanatics...not that it is wrong on the whole).

 

[digitalwanderer]

what exactly is scientology or rather what are their beliefs.

Scientology is a religion that was made-up by the late sci-fi author L. Ron Hubbard in college that went WAY out of control.
Here's a good & quick overview, but the true craziness of the religion is story of Xenu:

Who is Xenu?

I'm going to tell you a story. Are you sitting comfortably? Right, then I'll begin.

Once upon a time (75 million years ago to be more precise) there was an alien galactic ruler named Xenu. Xenu was in charge of all the planets in this part of the galaxy including our own planet Earth, except in those days it was called Teegeeack.

Now Xenu had a problem. All of the 76 planets he controlled were overpopulated. Each planet had on average 178 billion people. He wanted to get rid of all the overpopulation so he had a plan.

Xenu took over complete control with the help of renegades to defeat the good people and the Loyal Officers. Then with the help of psychiatrists he called in billions of people for income tax inspections where they were instead given injections of alcohol and glycol mixed to paralyse them. Then they were put into space planes that looked exactly like DC8s (except they had rocket motors instead of propellers).


These DC8 space planes then flew to planet Earth where the paralysed people were stacked around the bases of volcanoes in their hundreds of billions. When they had finished stacking them around then H-bombs were lowered into the volcanoes. Xenu then detonated all the H-bombs at the same time and everyone was killed.

The story doesn't end there though. Since everyone has a soul (called a "thetan" in this story) then you have to trick souls into not coming back again. So while the hundreds of billions of souls were being blown around by the nuclear winds he had special electronic traps that caught all the souls in electronic beams (the electronic beams were sticky like fly-paper).

After he had captured all these souls he had them packed into boxes and taken to a few huge cinemas. There all the souls had to spend days watching special 3D motion pictures that told them what life should be like and many confusing things. In this film they were shown false pictures and told they were God, The Devil and Christ. In the story this process is called "implanting".

When the films ended and the souls left the cinema these souls started to stick together because since they had all seen the same film they thought they were the same people. They clustered in groups of a few thousand. Now because there were only a few living bodies left they stayed as clusters and inhabited these bodies.

As for Xenu, the Loyal Officers finally overthrew him and they locked him away in a mountain on one of the planets. He is kept in by a force-field powered by an eternal battery and Xenu is still alive today.

That is the end of the story. And so today everyone is full of these clusters of souls called "body thetans". And if we are to be a free soul then we have to remove all these "body thetans" and pay lots of money to do so. And the only reason people believe in God and Christ was because it was in the film their body thetans saw 75 million years ago.

Well what did you think of that story?

What? You thought it was a stupid story?

Well so do we. However, this story is the core belief in the religion known as Scientology.* If people knew about this story then most people would never get involved in it. This story is told to you when you reach one of their secret levels called OT III. After that you are supposed to telepathically communicate with these body thetans to make them go away. You have to pay a lot of money to get to this level and do this (or you have to work very hard for the organisation on extremely low pay for many years).

We are telling you this story as a warning. If you become involved with Scientology then we would like you to do so with your eyes open and fully aware of the sort of material it contains.

Most of the Scientologists who work in their Dianetics* centres and so called "Churches" of Scientology do not know this story since they are not allowed to hear it until they reach the secret "upper" levels of Scientology. It may take them many years before they reach this level if they ever do. The ones who do know it are forced to keep it a secret and not tell it to those people who are joining Scientology.

 

[Razor04]

Scientology is a religion that was made-up by the late sci-fi author L. Ron Hubbard in college that went WAY out of control.
Here's a good & quick overview, but the true craziness of the religion is story of Xenu:

Interesting...I think all I have to say about that is WTF! Very screwed up... Thanks dig!

 

[digitalwanderer]

Scientology is a religion that was made-up by the late sci-fi author L. Ron Hubbard in college that went WAY out of control.
Here's a good & quick overview, but the true craziness of the religion is story of Xenu:

Interesting...I think all I have to say about that is WTF! Very screwed up... Thanks dig!

The first time someone pointed out to me what Scientology was all about I think I stayed up for about 5 hours late one night reading all the BS of theirs...it's freaking scary!

 

[pax]

oooo mercy... At least scientologists are funny...

 

[DemoCoder]

No, they are dangerous. For example http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/trinity/832/kh/threat.html

Oh, and where's Linda Hicks? Did they ever find a body?

Search for "Sea Org" and "Fair Game" rules.

They've got money and star power too. John Travolta paid $20,000 to finance an attack on Keith Henson's lawyer. As of now, just for joking about a "Tom Cruise Missile" and protesting their "Gold Base", he is a fugitive on the run on Canada, he has lost his job, his house (thanks to a Scientology civil case), denied Chapter 13 bankruptcy, they tried to deny his wife any funds from the house, and now they are threatening his daughter.

And all because a bunch of people chose to believe the UTTERLY STUPID scientology religion that we were all once, in a former life, a giant clam called the "Boo Hoo" or "Grim Weeper", that our Thetans stood in line for up to 22 million years at "implant centers" waiting for a human body to be implanted into, yadda yadda yadda.

You think I'm f*cking joking? There are people who not only believe this and pay tens of thousands of dollars to gain access to higher and higher Hubbard stories in the cult, but that submit themselves to virtual prison camp labor for violating minor cult rules, and who participate, KNOWINGLY, in the destruction of individuals who try and criticize the cult.

Man, I hate even thinking of scientology, because what they've done and gotten away with over the years makes my blood boil. I think they're worse than the Mafia.

It's not a joke and it's not funny. I put these guys one step below Aum Shinryko.

 

[horvendile]

I'll just chime in with the choir.

On Scientology: There's no doubt that they are just as dangerous as described by others here. Incidentally, within scientology there are step-by-step instructions on how to ruin an adversary's life.

(There's a very funny and very sad story about the scientology bible and the Swedish law on public papers (To any Swedes: Help! What's offentlighetsprincip in English?) that I'll tell if I find the time.)

On Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion:
It's absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt, a fake. Not a trace of truth. That's been proven over and over again. Which doesn't stop some Arabic countries from referring to it as truth. (Of course there may be others too that say it's true, but AFAIK said countries are the only ones where it's more or less officially accepted as true.)

Edit: Perhaps I should say that what I meant with the last paragraph was that in those countries the Protocols are often referred to as truth by the press, and there is little protest. That is not quite the same thing as the country officially sanctioning it as truth - but then again, given how little freedom the press tends to have it's pretty damn close.

 

[K.I.L.E.R]

oooo mercy... At least scientologists are funny...

Seconded.
You hear how this world was made livable?

 

[London Geezer]

oooo mercy... At least scientologists are funny...

Seconded.
You hear how this world was made livable?

Whats that?

 

[Ante P]

(To any Swedes: Help! What's offentlighetsprincip in English?) that I'll tell if I find the time.)

"Principle of public access to official records"

vassego

well in any case I can tell the story (but I'm tired so I won't bother wording it in a humoristic way. )

for some reason or the other swedish police confiscated one of the sacred books/documents of the scientologists in sweden
after some time all such material falls under the "Principle of public access to official records" which means: anyone who wants to shall be able to take part of the material
so in order to prevent "commoners" from reading their sacred book the scientologists stay at the station in turns reading the book
they're there basically 24/7 (or rather during open hours that is) and they've booked their members for access for several years ahead just to prevent any outsider from reading their lousy book

or something like that, it happened a few years ago..

 

[K.I.L.E.R]

You can't be serious?

What weird pricks.