Apple is an existential threat to the PC

Microsoft isn't going to write Windows Apple GPU drivers any time soon.

 

I'm sure if Microsoft approached Apple with the offer to make Windonws for Arm available they would help out with that and other specifics of Apple Silicon.

 

I don’t think Apple would.

 

Had an intresting read on the new apple sillicon and future.



With 128gpu cores they'd be trying to compete with A100/MI100-like products. Also, if were getting AMD's 160CU gpus next year, their quite much on par already.

 

Oh yes, my bad, I was thrown by reacktor's post before mine, talking about dualbooting into windows.
But this makes it even more strange, so you can't boot into windows, thus the only way to play games is either native (which there don't seem to be many according to the wiki page) or emulated (which is gonna incur performance loss) So why arent there more metal games? Is the wiki page just out of date?

 

apple wants to lock you into their eco system, thus letting you run windows on their hardware is not in their interests

 

But why would you even want to? Nothing has changed really in that landscape, Apple mac products have gotten faster and more efficient, partly due to bleeding edge node advantages. Macs are being replaced, they are as intresting to the windows pc users as they have been before.
Aside from that, why would anyone pay the premium of 5000 dollars to match a 1500 dollar windows laptop for the same performance but mor efficiency which most gamers dont value as much?

 

I think this describes the situation for most people (don’t agree at all about the pricing but that’s immaterial).

For the most part, Apple is producing the same Macs, for the same people, only nicer. A lot nicer, actually, so that may attract a few people from the Windows side of the fence.
Noone in their right mind would buy a Mac with gaming as the main target application, so all such comparisons are pointless, and only serve to reinforce ones personal position. Video folks, photography buffs, the Adobe crowd … these people have a nice set of new options. Developers, depending on what they do, seem to appreciate the package. Students love the screens and the battery life, and overall solidity which help the computers survive in a backpack. Up to a point.

The Windows masses will stay exactly where they are. Corporates, administrations, mass school purchases - all Windows as per usual. Gamers - Windows. Status quo will remain largely unmoved. The threat may be existential, but hardly actual.

 

There is no eco system lock in macOS. Apple's AppStore has plus points - like zero-effort autoupdates - but AppStore apps also include some limitations because those apps have to work within the strict sandboxes that the AppStore requires, which excludes some types of utilities.

Apple make pretty much nothing from me running macOS. If I also run Windows (which I do via Bootcamp) it doesn't lose them either.

 

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/ios-15-and-macos-monterey-apples-walled-garden-just-got-even-higher

mate if you've used apple devices/pc's like me they work best together, with windows/android and apple stuff its not as seamless, you have to jump through more hoops (by design)

 

I read the article but what is the macOS walled garden? Yeah, Macs and iDevices tied (or linked) to the same iCloud accounts work mostly seamlessly but that's not a macOS walled Garden, that's an iCloud account (free to register) being used to bind/authenticate the devices for interoperability.

You're not tied to Apple in any way. You can buy a Mac, eschew the Apple ecosystem and buy into the Google ecosystems across your devices and are you any worse off? I don't think so. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What iCloud data can you not migrate to another service? Where are the walls?

 

Like before then. These kind of use cases have been better for macs pre-m1 products.

Yeah, maybe if the prices where much lower. Most students would probably have resources for the M1 2020 laptop, but with windows laptop they'd get much more performance/value.

Yeah its what i was thinking (when this topic was created already). You couldnt have put it better though.

Apple still has the advantage there, but android/windows have made huge strides in special with samsung. The phone/windows integration is very good now.

 

Years ago when I developed for IOS I had to buy a Mac to do that. Ok fair enough you say

apples latest device, apple airtag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirTag try using that on a non apple device, airdrop, I have a ipad, transfering films or whatever is a PITA, most likely you have to use the terribly designed software, appletunes, you cant just do what you do in android, plug it in and copy files over with explorer

What is the walled garden? Perhaps these explain (I didnt read)
https://medium.com/geekculture/apple-ecosystem-the-walled-garden-9f07644367be
https://slate.com/technology/2021/06/apple-wwdc-ios15-new-features-walled-garden.html

 

Whatever you feel but that doesn't change facts. The bootloader is open for unsigned or custom kernels.

Asahi Linux is doing pretty good so far despite still having some ways to go with regards to TB and GPU acceleration but things are shaping up.

If all else fails you still have the Hypervisor with full hardware access.

That's fine, I feel like they would.

 

I was wondering if they were really going to scale the current concept or come up with some sort of hybrid system (but how?). 3nm and a newer architecture will most likely be what we're looking at. How big would this thing be on 5nm? The mind boggles...

 

iOS is a walled garden. macOS is not.

They don't. Apple's iDevices - basically everything that isn't a Mac that also isn't standard Bluetooth (like AirPods) is pretty much a walled garden. macOS and things like headphones, keyboards and mice work with any device.

Apple is the king of walled gardens but macOS isn't one of them. macOS is a UNIX 03-compliant operating system. You can change more about how it fundamental operates with the terminal than you can tweak Windows with any of Microsoft's admin tools. It is absolutely not - in any way - a walled garden. You can use a Mac without any other Apple service or resources. At work you get the choice of a Dell XPS13 or MacBook Pro 13". We disable every Apple service on the Macs, tie them into the Enterprise systems and they're off. You use Microsoft (Office 365, Outlook/Exchange Sharepoint, Teams) and local Google services for everything else.

 

But I think there many programs that are only available in Mac store, so you need apple account if you want to install them. That's not (yet) the case with Windows. And I'm not sure if UI can be configured to be more like standard PC (Windows 7, KDE, Cinnamon...), especially not without commercial programs (e.g. uBar). So you are completely up to Apple's mercy when it comes to design decisions, whether you like it or not.

 

I'm sure there are Mac applications that are only sold through the MacAppStore but that doesn't make the Mac a walled garden any more than games only sold on the Epic Games Store or programs only sold in Microsoft's Store makes Windows a walled garden Having to use a particular online store doesn't make your platform walled, the fact that there even are choices of stores to buy software - unlike iOS - is one of the defining attributes of a platform being open. You don't need to use Xcode to develop for Mac, there is nothing walled about the platform.

 

OK you convinced me (I looked further online), I was wrong. Apple OS is not a walled garden (other apple stuff is)
I think this will change in the future but anyways, I think my misunderstanding in part comes from my hatred of interacting with their products, including macOS, they cant design anything well to save their ass, that and xcode and objective c (may it burn in hell) and just lumping them all together

 

You must be the last person alive using objective C! Also, just for info, there has never been a requirement to Xcode for macOS/OSX development. And almost every major cross-platform IDE has supported iOS for years. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You appear to have made your own life difficult, a bit like trying to eat soup with chop sticks!