NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50-series Blackwell Availability

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"Huge numbers"? Most UE5 games with Nanite and Lumen showing the exact same performance pattern.
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None of these show such issues. This is just from this year. And there are several dozens of games using UE5 released every year.
 

Judging by what I see online at this point there are no issues with Blackwell availability aside from 5090 (which is generally still unavailable in the US and EU) and 5080 in the USA (which is available there starting at $1400 or +40% to MSRP). The rest of the lineup is selling below MSRP outside of the US and at some +$50 to MSRP for custom models in the US which is somewhat what you'd expect from typical GPU availability.

So much for the whole "Nvidia doesn't make any Blackwell GPUs" drama? Three months since first launch, two months for the widely available models - nothing out of the ordinary for your typical GPU launch either I'd say. Much clicks though, many YT views!
 
DegustatoR said:

Judging by what I see online at this point there are no issues with Blackwell availability aside from 5090 (which is generally still unavailable in the US and EU) and 5080 in the USA (which is available there starting at $1400 or +40% to MSRP). The rest of the lineup is selling below MSRP outside of the US and at some +$50 to MSRP for custom models in the US which is somewhat what you'd expect from typical GPU availability.

So much for the whole "Nvidia doesn't make any Blackwell GPUs" drama? Three months since first launch, two months for the widely available models - nothing out of the ordinary for your typical GPU launch either I'd say. Much clicks though, many YT views!
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I’m seeing 5070s at Microcenter for $700, around 10 in stock for each model. I wouldn’t call that MSRP at all.

Edit: 5070ti also completely out of stock at MC and Best Buy
 
DegustatoR said:

$605 with Doom in bundle.
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Yeah that’s also the cheapest model at MC too. Almost every other model is $100 more.

Until consumers can walk into BB or MC (or the online equivalent) and buy these models without seeing half of them out of stock or over MSRP I’d argue there’s still a supply issue.

AMD isn’t fairing any better on this front, I haven’t seen 9070 series cards in stock at all!
 
DegustatoR said:
So much for the whole "Nvidia doesn't make any Blackwell GPUs" drama? Three months since first launch, two months for the widely available models - nothing out of the ordinary for your typical GPU launch either I'd say. Much clicks though, many YT views!
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Uhh... in my experience this is far from normal for the top end models. You could absolutely get 4090's at launch as regular people (I did, just ordering off a regular retailer). Within a couple months they were not necessarily at every retailer all the time, but if you broadly watched each day you'd see them pop in stock and could grab one at near MSRP. 4080's were always quite available from the start.

5090 on the other hand... i see no evidence that Canada has really gotten *any* to date, 3 months after launch. Unclear when that will change and when it does it's pretty clear it will be only models that are +50% over MSRP probably forever. I suspect reference models will never be practically available here. 5080's you can indeed find in stock but they are as noted +40% over MSRP and it's similarly unclear if they will ever be available for cheaper.

So I'm glad at least people can buy the cheaper models again as for a while there were literally no NVIDIA GPU options available to buy for reasonable prices here. But the practical situation with this launch is significantly different than the 4-series launch in Canada. And to be clear, we don't have any tariffs on this stuff to blame.
 
Andrew Lauritzen said:
Uhh... in my experience this is far from normal for the top end models. You could absolutely get 4090's at launch as regular people (I did, just ordering off a regular retailer). Within a couple months they were not necessarily at every retailer all the time, but if you broadly watched each day you'd see them pop in stock and could grab one at near MSRP. 4080's were always quite available from the start.

5090 on the other hand... i see no evidence that Canada has really gotten *any* to date, 3 months after launch. Unclear when that will change and when it does it's pretty clear it will be only models that are +50% over MSRP probably forever. I suspect reference models will never be practically available here. 5080's you can indeed find in stock but they are as noted +40% over MSRP and it's similarly unclear if they will ever be available for cheaper.

So I'm glad at least people can buy the cheaper models again as for a while there were literally no NVIDIA GPU options available to buy for reasonable prices here. But the practical situation with this launch is significantly different than the 4-series launch in Canada. And to be clear, we don't have any tariffs on this stuff to blame.
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5070 and 5070Ti are sporadically available (but definitely available!) at Canadian MSRP nowadays; I snagged my 5070Ti this month for $1089CAD.

5080 availability has gotten a lot better in the recent weeks too, Canadian MSRP was $1449 for the Nvidia FE 5080, and you can walk into most any local Canada Computers and grab a Zotac card with a much better cooler for $1699, or ~17% above MSRP. Not great, but slowly getting better. Lots available to ship from their online store too.


Here on the West Coast at least I can also walk into a local store and grab a Zotac 5090 Solid off the shelf for $3699cad. Much too rich for me, but if I had an LLM / project that absolutely needed 32GB of VRAM, I can still get one.
 
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Cappuccino said:
But it isn’t lol, you posted a single model that’s near MSRP. Most models are still out of stock or way above MSRP.
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Everything I see is still significantly overpriced compared to MSRP. The cheapest 5070Ti is $900 and that's before whatever tax you have to pay. You can get a 5070 for $610 which is at least kind of close to MSRP.
 
Analysis of the US market has to be done in the context of overall market factors. I don't think we can have an expectations of "normalcy" in the US for the short given those considerations.
 
Cappuccino said:
But it isn’t lol, you posted a single model that’s near MSRP. Most models are still out of stock or way above MSRP.
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"Most models" are always AIB custom cards which have their own MSRPs which are higher than that of base model.
So there's nothing specifically weird or uncommon in the situation you're describing and it doesn't mean in any way that the cards aren't in full supply right now. The fact that they are available starting at base model MSRPs is what "full supply" means.
Granted US isn't entirely there yet but it's close enough, most cards are within +50 right now.
 
DegustatoR said:
"Most models" are always AIB custom cards which have their own MSRPs which are higher than that of base model.
So there's nothing specifically weird or uncommon in the situation you're describing and it doesn't mean in any way that the cards aren't in full supply right now. The fact that they are available starting at base model MSRPs is what "full supply" means.
Granted US isn't entirely there yet but it's close enough, most cards are within +50 right now.
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Most AIB cards are usually nowhere near $100+ over MSRP. The only exception are very high end AIB models like the old EVGA FTW3 cards, ROG Strix, and stuff that comes with AIOs. Almost every AIB model is at $100 over MSRP. Nobody in their right mind considers this full supply, we had full supply less than a year ago and it was nothing like this!
arandomguy said:
Analysis of the US market has to be done in the context of overall market factors. I don't think we can have an expectations of "normalcy" in the US for the short given those considerations.
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That's fine, but let's not act like supply isn't short when you still can't buy these cards at a reasonable price (aka near founder MSRP, this gen AIBs hiked MSRPs for their individual AIBs way higher than they normally would have due to supply crunches) in the largest consumer market for these products.
 
Cappuccino said:
That's fine, but let's not act like supply isn't short when you still can't buy these cards at a reasonable price (aka near founder MSRP, this gen AIBs hiked MSRPs for their individual AIBs way higher than they normally would have due to supply crunches) in the largest consumer market for these products.
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Pricing would be both directly affected by the overall trade situation and indirectly by supply. Supply itself would also be affected by the overall macro situation as well. The US market for these types of products simply isn't stable at the moment.
 
Andrew Lauritzen said:
Uhh... in my experience this is far from normal for the top end models. You could absolutely get 4090's at launch as regular people (I did, just ordering off a regular retailer). Within a couple months they were not necessarily at every retailer all the time, but if you broadly watched each day you'd see them pop in stock and could grab one at near MSRP. 4080's were always quite available from the start.
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This might be true for 4090, as I also got one without any bundle deals with relatively reasonable price, but on the other hand it's different with the 30 series as I remembered to have to buy a pre-built in order to get a 3080 Ti and the prebuilt is a little overpriced.

Today, just like the crypto-mining mania, there's this "AI" mania. I know people who are buying 5090 not because they are gamers but because they want to do edge AI. They are also more likely to be willing to pay more. I also heard some rumors about some people in China are replacing 5090's memory with chips of twice the size, making them 64GB, and also some rumors of the 3 bits modules with potential to 96GB. Together with the ban of AI chips to China, I guess this is just going to get even worse.

Right now it's possible to get a 5080 without bundles from some retailers here, although the price is not very good (~US$300 higher than MSRP), but 5090 are very difficult to find and are always in expensive bundles.
 
pcchen said:
Today, just like the crypto-mining mania, there's this "AI" mania. I know people who are buying 5090 not because they are gamers but because they want to do edge AI.
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Since there is no direct material gain from buying high end GPUs for AI, there *has to be* something like an order of magnitude less people buying for AI than for crypto
 
entity279 said:
Since there is no direct material gain from buying high end GPUs for AI, there *has to be* something like an order of magnitude less people buying for AI than for crypto
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I'm not so sure about the "no direct material gain" argument, as there are businesses actively doing that, especially in China. If you look at the entire market, of course there must be less people buying for AI than for crypto, but on the other hand you could use almost any GPU (with reasonable amount of VRAM) to mine crypto (I still remembered that 1070 Ti was the favorite), and people tend to not buy the most expensive GPU to do that (until when every GPU became so expensive it doesn't matter anymore), but what I was talking about is 5090.
 
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