Linux

If you don't have the patience to learn, it's better not to even try. This applies to any type of transition. No one is born knowing how to use Windows; you think it's easy because you've been used to it for years. When you transition to MacOS, you'll have a lot of adaptation problems, a completely different interface, and other details. People usually adapt because they pay a lot for their Macs and need to justify the expense by making an effort to learn how to use them.

On Linux it's the same thing, it's another operating system, things are different. If you try to use it as if it were Windows, you'll get frustrated.

Absolutely. I use both, and it's a learned "skill" as any other. I don't mind learning new ways of going about an OS per se. However, with Windows or MacOS I can do 95% of what I want through a GUI. And those last 5% that I might need the command line for are things that usually cropped up after I'd gotten used to the operating principles of the OS. So where Windows/Mac ease the everyday user in on the shallow end of the pool, Linux, last I tried it, felt like jumping into the deep end.

I know it's improved since of course. Perhaps enough for me to feel less daunted. But I also know it's very different between distros, and I know it differs with what you want out of your machine. So a lot of variables. Which is why I thought I'd ask.

I'm getting a second disk for my PC, and I think I'll make a Linux partition on it to play with. Thanks @Cyan for the suggestions. I'll look into them. "Thankfully" I don't yet have any hardware that supports raytracing, so the issues @Albuquerque mentioned are not yet an issue.
 
Regarding Mint, here are some reasons why I think Mint as a project is misguided:

They have a really weird development strategy. They do not really work upstream and have a "patch over cracks" philosophy instead of fixing the root cause. For example Cinnamon is a fork of Gnome shell. If they want the latest features (like HDR, VRR or better fractional scaling) they either have to rebase their fork or reimplement them. Having a fork is not bad if you continiously rebase your changes but that is not the Mint philosophy.

This also shows up in upgrades which is really seamless in something like Fedora but seems to be much more involved for the user in Mint.
 
Regarding Mint, here are some reasons why I think Mint as a project is misguided:

They have a really weird development strategy. They do not really work upstream and have a "patch over cracks" philosophy instead of fixing the root cause. For example Cinnamon is a fork of Gnome shell. If they want the latest features (like HDR, VRR or better fractional scaling) they either have to rebase their fork or reimplement them. Having a fork is not bad if you continiously rebase your changes but that is not the Mint philosophy.

This also shows up in upgrades which is really seamless in something like Fedora but seems to be much more involved for the user in Mint.
as a Mint user, and new to that, that's seamless for me as of now, but maybe for @Color me Dan as a relative newbie, something else might be better. Zorin OS seems to be a good candidate for someone in a similar situation.

Also the video I shared might be a great start for a gaming focused OS, some of them have a very nice UI.

As of recently the famous Pewdiedie switched to Linux on his desktop computer and also installed Arch on his laptop -nobody recommends Arch for beginners though- and that was a big deal.

Btw, I installed a the Linux Mint XFCE edition on my laptop, a fanless 8GB RAM with a Celeron CPU laptop. I had W11 on it but I wanted something lighter 'cos that thing is sloooow, its only advantage is that it is totally silent and don't weight much. and I still have the W11 license so it's fine in that sense. I did that 'cos I use that laptop to watch youtube videos while I do some exercise on my stationary bike and little else.
 
Absolutely. I use both, and it's a learned "skill" as any other. I don't mind learning new ways of going about an OS per se. However, with Windows or MacOS I can do 95% of what I want through a GUI. And those last 5% that I might need the command line for are things that usually cropped up after I'd gotten used to the operating principles of the OS. So where Windows/Mac ease the everyday user in on the shallow end of the pool, Linux, last I tried it, felt like jumping into the deep end.

I know it's improved since of course. Perhaps enough for me to feel less daunted. But I also know it's very different between distros, and I know it differs with what you want out of your machine. So a lot of variables. Which is why I thought I'd ask.

I'm getting a second disk for my PC, and I think I'll make a Linux partition on it to play with. Thanks @Cyan for the suggestions. I'll look into them. "Thankfully" I don't yet have any hardware that supports raytracing, so the issues @Albuquerque mentioned are not yet an issue.
how many years have passed since you last used Linux? Regarding the UI, a lot of things have changed, now HDR and VRR are available on several desktop environments.

Having a second disk is ideal. 3 to 4 years ago I had a 2TB nVME and a 1TB SSD -now broken, it doesn't work- and I started installing Linux on one of them exclusively, then I installed it on both drives exclusively and spent like 6 months testing several distros -doing distro hoping as they say-.

In regards to gaming, I found several distributions to be easier to use/more compatible, like a variation of Ubuntu focused on gaming, Garuda, and a few others. Tried Bazzitte too, but not for enough time to test it well.

But back then I had some issues with my preferred games, and over time I switched back to Windows -although I just had an Ubuntu partition until my SSD broke months ago :/ -.

there are other good gaming focused Linux distributions but that video seem to be a great start, especially in regards to the top 4 gaming distributions the guy recommends. There seems to be a common consensus on the matter from the little I've seen as of late, but I am sure there are more videos similar to that and other info.

As for RT, I noticed the other day after installing Resident Evil 2 Remake on Manjaro that the RT options were grayed out. I didn't pay much attention to that tbh, it's one of those games where RT isn't a game changer -a common thing in the RT variants of some games-. What surprised me the most was the performance, which was really good. That was unexpected.
 
as a Mint user, and new to that, that's seamless for me as of now, but maybe for @Color me Dan as a relative newbie, something else might be better. Zorin OS seems to be a good candidate for someone in a similar situation.

Is HDR and VRR seamless for you, or do you mean major version updates?
 
Is HDR and VRR seamless for you, or do you mean major version updates?
it was pretty easy and very intuitive to enable when using Wayland on Manjaro, the display settings added a toggle for both HDR when using the TV, and VRR when using the 1080p monitor. The interface of Wayland is really the best I've seen on an OS in that sense. With Cinnamon and other desktop environments there is no HDR toggle, nor you can enable VRR iirc. Years ago when I was using Linux exclusively HDR for Linux was still in development, and VRR didn't work either nor Intel GPU drivers were part of the Linux kernel (although I had a nVidia GPU back then).

Might try some other distros meant for gaming that are most probably compatible with HDR and VRR, just out of curiosity. Still, I want Linux for productivity and avoid distractions, and Windows for more streamlined gaming and hassle free use of stores like Epic Store, EA, Ubisoft etc. I have some games on those. Not many 'cos the bulk of the games I have is on Steam, GoG and some games I got on pc gamepass, but I paid for them....
 
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Regarding Mint, here are some reasons why I think Mint as a project is misguided:

They have a really weird development strategy. They do not really work upstream and have a "patch over cracks" philosophy instead of fixing the root cause. For example Cinnamon is a fork of Gnome shell. If they want the latest features (like HDR, VRR or better fractional scaling) they either have to rebase their fork or reimplement them. Having a fork is not bad if you continiously rebase your changes but that is not the Mint philosophy.

This also shows up in upgrades which is really seamless in something like Fedora but seems to be much more involved for the user in Mint.
I feel the opposite about this. I think Mint takes as much as it can from upstream but will go a different route if it feels there is a need for it.
Gnome is a good case in point. The Gnome project is obviously popular, and it makes a lot of sense to build on the many useful libraries and mechanics underlying it.
But the Gnome team has strongly held convictions about UI design that are not necessarily shared by everyone else. The Gnome shell has taken a clear turn towards becoming more touch-friendly after the end of the Gnome 2.x branch, and that development arguably coincided with the GUI becoming less optimized for desktop environments. Cinnamon (and MATE) remain focused on just doing the familiar Windows 95/4.0 paradigm, and doing it well, while maintaining as much compatibility as possible.

Another example is Mint's approach to package management. Mint inherited dpkg and APT from Debian and Ubuntu, but Ubuntu has since gone off to push a lot of projects to snap packages.
However, Mint feels that sticking with .deb has the benefit of less duplication of shared libraries, less memory overhead, and faster program startup times, and so they took on the responsibility of doing more package maintenance themselves. I think there's a place for containerized packages for larger applications but it is less ideal for things like system utilities, so I agree with Mint here.
 
well, I finally watched the entire video on the best Linux distributions for gaming, and it's much better than I expected. I learnt a lot about the Linux distributions I didn't know and how things have changed for those I knew.

Tbh I had never heard of Clear Linux, which is an Intel distribution. Also, there are super stable and immutable distributions, like Cachy OS and Bazzitte, maybe some more like that? which are super super stable and being immutable the core and root files can't be changed -even if you are an admin-.
The video has issues, though. All of the most popular distributions are in the 'OK, but..' category, and hey, it's fine if you really want to argue that. But such a sweeping across the board call tells me there is very likely not more than a passing actual familiarity behind it.
And I'd say that there must be something very wrong for all of these to somehow end up in the same category as Clear Linux. I used and supported that distro for a long time, and it is about as niche as can be; performant on some edge cases, yes, but with utterly mystifying design choices that make it practically unmaintainable in the long term and rather user unfriendly. I'm not surprised to see it has been slowly withering away for years now as a result.
 
The video has issues, though. All of the most popular distributions are in the 'OK, but..' category, and hey, it's fine if you really want to argue that. But such a sweeping across the board call tells me there is very likely not more than a passing actual familiarity behind it.
And I'd say that there must be something very wrong for all of these to somehow end up in the same category as Clear Linux. I used and supported that distro for a long time, and it is about as niche as can be; performant on some edge cases, yes, but with utterly mystifying design choices that make it practically unmaintainable in the long term and rather user unfriendly. I'm not surprised to see it has been slowly withering away for years now as a result.
what is the best use case for Clear Linux? In the end the kernel is common among all of them, so I guess you can end up adapting any version of Linux to what you want. Maybe he is a power user and he placed it ther because of that? The guy is mostly focused on gaming.

I have Windows for that, and curiously enough, since Linux can see the other drives or partitions where Windows is installed, I can just play some games that are just a simple download -no store involved- and I have on Windows and play them directly on Linux from the Windowx partition. 😁

Now that I think of it...., since I have 2TB nVME of which 270GB are used for Linux.... Maybe I can use the games I installed on the Steam directory belonging to the Windows partition on Linux with Steam? :unsure:

Thus I don't have to worry about the space I use on the Linux partition -270GB isn't that much nowadays-, and take advantage of the full space of the drive, like using the Linux partition as an auxiliary disc..., typical for those who have a small drive or partition for their OS and a large drive or partition for games?
 
what is the best use case for Clear Linux? In the end the kernel is common among all of them, so I guess you can end up adapting any version of Linux to what you want. Maybe he is a power user and he placed it ther because of that? The guy is mostly focused on gaming.
Clear Linux can work if you have a single or a limited number of server tasks that you want to run fast. All of its binaries are compiled with the most aggressive optimizations and it does indeed tend to benchmark a bit faster than many other Linux distributions, at least on selected benchmarks.

The problem is that once you have those tasks up and running, you then want to avoid doing any maintenance on that server in any way, shape or form. And the reason why you want to avoid that is the super inflexible way in which Clear Linux handles software updates.

Most distributions use some form of package management system to handle updates. These systems tend to maintain a map of dependencies, which keep track of the fact that a certain package X requires at least library version Y, which is found in package Z of a certain version or higher. And so you're generally free to add, remove, update and replace individual packages if, say, some crucial new functionality or bug or security fix is required.

That's not really the case with Clear Linux. It uses a system it calls 'bundles', which throw a whole bunch of software together, all of which is updated at the same time. That means that any update that you really want to install tends to trigger an avalanche of changes in a heap of installed software, completely disregarding whether any of it has some sort of major new release, possibly with big changes in functionality or even features gone missing. Major breakages are a regular feature on Clear Linux. You simply can not rely on automatic updates to not totally hose your system. So most administrators either do not update at all, or perform updates manually, offline, which is just bad.
And if you happen to fall behind just a bit on updates, it can take a very, very long time to run an update cycle, as it goes through every single release cycle that happened since your last update. And then on top of that the update process requires an absurd amount of disk space, so you can easily run out. At which point you still won't have a package manager to help you selectively clean up space.

It's not a distribution for gaming. It's downright unpleasant for desktop use in general. It's like an experimental wholly different approach to a Linux distribution, for.. reasons. They could've taken any of the infinitely superior existing package management solutions and just cooked aggressively optimized packages for those, but instead they chose to reinvent the wheel, and somehow ended up with a sled, stuck in mud.
 
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how many years have passed since you last used Linux? Regarding the UI, a lot of things have changed, now HDR and VRR are available on several desktop environments.

The last time I used it properly was probably 5-6 years ago, might even be more considering how time flies hehe. I used Arch since a friend with more skill and patience was running the same thing, I don't recall which desktop environment I was running then though. Something minimalistic, possibly Cinnamon? I have to say, I really liked the package manager. I dunno, I always got a giddy feeling when there was a trove of updates. Like "Yay, improvements!". Which was often. In the end I never got comfortable however.

A few years later I tried Manjaro with Gnome on my old Macbook Air. I would have kept using it really, but I recall there being an issue with the keyboard layout that drove me absolutely nuts. I think it was the lack of a second ctrl button on the right side of the keyboard? Or if there was a weird behavior with one of the command or alt buttons? Either way something made key commands an absolute bitch. I also learned that I didn't much like Gnome. For the next Linux version I don't know what I'll try. KDE possibly?
 
Gnome is a good case in point. The Gnome project is obviously popular, and it makes a lot of sense to build on the many useful libraries and mechanics underlying it.
But the Gnome team has strongly held convictions about UI design that are not necessarily shared by everyone else. The Gnome shell has taken a clear turn towards becoming more touch-friendly after the end of the Gnome 2.x branch, and that development arguably coincided with the GUI becoming less optimized for desktop environments. Cinnamon (and MATE) remain focused on just doing the familiar Windows 95/4.0 paradigm, and doing it well, while maintaining as much compatibility as possible.

The problem is that the Mint people does NOT build on the libraries and mechanics, they fork everything and are not interested in cooperating with upstream. If Cinnamon had be built on Gnome Shell instead of being forked they would have all the cool stuff in the latest versions of Gnome Shell, but that is not the case.
 
Another example is Mint's approach to package management. Mint inherited dpkg and APT from Debian and Ubuntu, but Ubuntu has since gone off to push a lot of projects to snap packages.
However, Mint feels that sticking with .deb has the benefit of less duplication of shared libraries, less memory overhead, and faster program startup times, and so they took on the responsibility of doing more package maintenance themselves. I think there's a place for containerized packages for larger applications but it is less ideal for things like system utilities, so I agree with Mint here.

The Snap server/app store is only run by Canonical, so Mint cannot really use it the same way it is used in Ubuntu. Everybody hates Snaps anyway, so it wasn't a hard choice.
 
well, I finally watched the entire video on the best Linux distributions for gaming, and it's much better than I expected. I learnt a lot about the Linux distributions I didn't know and how things have changed for those I knew.

Tbh I had never heard of Clear Linux, which is an Intel distribution. Also, there are super stable and immutable distributions, like Cachy OS and Bazzitte, maybe some more like that? which are super super stable and being immutable the core and root files can't be changed -even if you are an admin-.

The guy in the video, who spent two years using Cachy OS and never switched, said he could have uninstalled it out of boredom, not because of anything else. So stable. It's also interesting that the Cachy OS kernel is compiled based on your exact architecture—x86-64-v3, x86-64-v4, Zen4, etc.—which significantly increases system speed.

I saw some difference in games using their BORE scheduler, but in system performance tests, I saw no difference.
It's a good option for those who want to venture into Arch, since it has a graphical installer. I prefer to create a system from scratch, so I use the standard Arch Linux. I'm thinking about buying a good CPU just so I can use Gentoo. :LOL:

Regarding Mint, here are some reasons why I think Mint as a project is misguided:

They have a really weird development strategy. They do not really work upstream and have a "patch over cracks" philosophy instead of fixing the root cause. For example Cinnamon is a fork of Gnome shell. If they want the latest features (like HDR, VRR or better fractional scaling) they either have to rebase their fork or reimplement them. Having a fork is not bad if you continiously rebase your changes but that is not the Mint philosophy.

This also shows up in upgrades which is really seamless in something like Fedora but seems to be much more involved for the user in Mint.

For the current version 22, they have made a new rebase based on Gnome 42, so that they can introduce Wayland, VRR and other new technologies in Cinnamon. According to them, now the adoption of new Gnome technologies will be faster. They are just waiting for these technologies to be stable.
 
The last time I used it properly was probably 5-6 years ago, might even be more considering how time flies hehe. I used Arch since a friend with more skill and patience was running the same thing, I don't recall which desktop environment I was running then though. Something minimalistic, possibly Cinnamon? I have to say, I really liked the package manager. I dunno, I always got a giddy feeling when there was a trove of updates. Like "Yay, improvements!". Which was often. In the end I never got comfortable however.

A few years later I tried Manjaro with Gnome on my old Macbook Air. I would have kept using it really, but I recall there being an issue with the keyboard layout that drove me absolutely nuts. I think it was the lack of a second ctrl button on the right side of the keyboard? Or if there was a weird behavior with one of the command or alt buttons? Either way something made key commands an absolute bitch. I also learned that I didn't much like Gnome. For the next Linux version I don't know what I'll try. KDE possibly?
KDE is pretty nice. It's the desktop UI I am using now (KDE Plasma) and it supports VRR, HDR, and the trick of making circles with the mouse so the mouse gets larger works, scaling options etc.

Magnifier is just Windows key (called Super) + + to zoom in and Windows key + - to zoom out, just out of the box, no hassle involved and very fast. Prnt Screen just takes a screengrab, etc etc.

Btw, I left Windows altogether. Not truly my intention in the long run but I've been tinkering with the partitions and I deleted the Windows partition entirely. Will probably come back if the OEM Windows gaming handheld comes into fruition, but for now I'm going to use Linux exclusively and get used to game on it.

Gotta find a way so my nephews can play certain co-op games like Rocket League, and other co-op games on Linux, but I think they should run just fine.
 
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well, I've been doing some distro hoping on the side and installed Cachy OS and Pika OS on my desktop computer.

Cachy OS has excellent details, like an option to extract a .7z, .zip, rar, etc file, and not only Extract, but also Extract and delete the compressed file after that. Those are the little details that matter. It worked really well from minute one, and KDE Plasma -the default desktop- is really good.

Then I installed Pika OS after a couple of days with Cachy OS. When I noticed Pika OS is based on Ubuntu that was the best news for me.

When I studied we used Ubuntu on our desktop computers, and my scores on Linux -through a lot of hard study and memorizing rather than talent- were really good during the exams.

I felt immediately at home when using Pika OS because of that, and has excellent features. The interface of the desktop is one of my favourites, if not my favourite, especially the Pineapple version of the desktop (there are 6 variants to choose from).

I'd wholeheartedly recommend Pika OS over anything else, just for the interface, it's Ubuntu but nicer and very compatible with a lot of software.

I still have to install the different PC stores and see what happens.
 
The Snap server/app store is only run by Canonical, so Mint cannot really use it the same way it is used in Ubuntu. Everybody hates Snaps anyway, so it wasn't a hard choice.
They'd have to fork snapd and make their own snapstore.

Ignoring the snapd/store monopolization I do see some advantages to snaps. Their sandbox allows more flexibility for one (unprivileged namespaces as a permission).

Just wish they'd allow plain loopback instead of squashfs for snaps and give up the signing monopoly in snapd.
 
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Never tried Pika. Sounds interesting, might try it sometime.
it has a very nice interface, especially the Pnieapple variant, at least for me. It's one of the best interfaces I've seen on an OS, imho!

In the end, I shall probably just return to plain Ubuntu. It's the Linux OS I am most familiar with, I still remember the terminal commands and with Pika OS I learnt how to run games like Rocket League so my 5 y.o. and 7 y.o. nephews can play it, along with other co-op games.

I managed to run it on Pika OS yesterday, using Heroic Games launcher, and I was soooooooo impressed. Emulation on Linux is almost a miracle, one that almost makes you cry.

The game ran like a charm and my nephews won't notice a single difference. I shall tell them though that they are playing on Linux.
 
so..., I installed Ubuntu, and that's the OS I'm going to use from now on as my main OS. Every app I need works well on Ubuntu and the system is super stable now after setting things up.

I deleted the 2TB W11 partition and all the nVME is for Ubuntu. So I won't be using Windows 11 anytime soon. I'll be using and returning to it in the future, or maybe just jump to Windows 12 when it comes out. Or when the OEM Xbox portable with Windows comes out.

But for now I'm pretty happy with using Linux over W11.

The app I'm missing the most is Outlook, the default email manager of Windows.

Tbh I've been a Microsof fanboy my entire life, and still am a big fan. But I'm not married to them and Windows 11 tires me out. It's a mess.

Windows is a very good underrated OS, I mean, it has to support a PLETHORA of different hardware configurations.

They got the stability right, Windows now can be running for weeks without powering off. And for gaming it's the best OS.

But bugs like the one I have with the time and date settings where whe I power off the PC and later I power it on and return to Windows my clock is 2 hours behind the actual clock for now apparent reason and I have to go to Settings and the time options, and click on the Sync Now button there, which makes no sense 'cos I've set the date and time to automatically connect to get the correct date and time... and also they could perform the Sync Now option when Windows launches, just to avoid that odd bug -a bad solution but better than nothing...-.

Also, using multiple monitors can be a mess. I have a 1440p 165Hz monitor, a 1080p 360Hz monitor, and a 4KT TV, and while I tried a couple of times to connect the 3 of them at the same time and manage them using Windows, I use mostly the biggest screen -my TV- for productivity and the 1080p 360Hz monitor for gaming and as a the auxiliary monitor.

However Windows makes odd things with the ICC profiles, and also with the EDIDs. Sometimes you change something like switching from "Show only on display 1" to "Show only on display 2", or "Extend these displays", there are times when it gets into an infinite loop trying to change and turns on the desired display but then it turn it off for no reason, then again it turns it on, and then off, it's impossible to do nothing if you dont stop that.

Worse than that is the fact that when using my 1080p 360Hz monitor I get the display options and resolution choices and refrest rate choices of the 1440p 165Hz, and I can't get over 165Hz.

That's so annoying. Not to mention that the ICC profile messes up the image too, 'cos I downloaded an ICC profile from rrings.com for my 1080p 360Hz monitor and it worked when I enabled it but now when I connect my 1080p monitor, the ICC profile isn't the one I was using.

Also, how the system is updated is a LOT worse than Linux. Linux is super when it comes to updates. It is totally transparent to the user. On Windows, you need to pay attention to the Store and of course the Settings, but some updates can break things and so on and so forth.

Finally, some Linux distributions have a much much better desktop interface, like Ubuntu, which is orders of magnitude better than that of Windows, KDE and even Cinnamon are even better than Windows UI if you ask me.

Hope all those things get fixed when Windows 12 comes out.
 
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