Xbox Next and PSX3 : Where they are going....
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Megadrive1988
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you know better than that. I know you do.
base PS3 is not PSthree. the base PS3 *is* PS3. as in PlayStation 3. its coming in 2 to 2.5 years from now. it will be sold for $299 in the U.S., probably starting in fall 2006.
the HS PS3 may or may not launch at the same time as base PS3.
The PSthree, a low cost redesign of base PS3, will come some years *after* the base PS3. like PSone and upcoming PStwo.
Paul said:
Well consider that the HD Tivo, which has no optical disc archiving capability or PS3 hardware integrated (BTW, I hope the HDD version of PS3, if there is one, will allow games to use the drive, maybe even record game sessions) will debut at retail for $999.
Also if you price DVD recorders now with hard drives, they are already approaching a grand (the DVD-RAM, -RW ones, not even the ones which support the +RW media).
Also consider that HDTV installed base is growing in high double-digits every year. Next-gen console hardware and software should support HDTV resolutions. So it wouldn't make much sense to offer PVR and video archiving functions at SDTV resolutions only.
Megadrive1988
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PlayStation timeline
PS-X / PlayStation - 1994,1995
PSone - 2000
PlayStation 2 - 2000
PSX - 2003,2004(?)
PStwo - 2004~2005(?)
PSP - 2004,2005
PlayStation 3 - 2006
PlayStation 3 Home Server - 2006~2007 ???
PSthree - 2010 ???
PlayStation 4 (aka PflopStation!) - 2010~2012 ????
(comma indicates release in different years for different regions. ~indicates uncertainty of release year)
PS-X / PlayStation - 1994,1995
PSone - 2000
PlayStation 2 - 2000
PSX - 2003,2004(?)
PStwo - 2004~2005(?)
PSP - 2004,2005
PlayStation 3 - 2006
PlayStation 3 Home Server - 2006~2007 ???
PSthree - 2010 ???
PlayStation 4 (aka PflopStation!) - 2010~2012 ????
(comma indicates release in different years for different regions. ~indicates uncertainty of release year)
Offhand, I think the PStwo will come somewhere in 2006 alongside or a bit after PS3's launch. It may constrain their designs a bit to make a "cute-ified" and cheaper console while the PS2 itself is still their major home console. (I certainly don't see PSX slipping away and becoming the driving force. Heh...) Granted they may not make the same kind of design choices for PStwo at they did for PSone, but it makes more sense to make a major reconfigure after "big bro" steps up to the plate. (PSone came out 4 months after PS2 was released, after all.)
*Hits Deadmeat over the head with the Mighty Club of Pretty Please Shut Up.*
Jesus, you're as bad as the anti-X-Box people.
There is no way in hell Sony will ever release a base PS3 model that costs 840 bucks. Sony isn't filled with insane people in suits. You are thinking of 3DO, even in their Army Men milking days. Maybe a special edition model like the others have been saying, but not the base model.
Jesus, you're as bad as the anti-X-Box people.
There is no way in hell Sony will ever release a base PS3 model that costs 840 bucks. Sony isn't filled with insane people in suits. You are thinking of 3DO, even in their Army Men milking days. Maybe a special edition model like the others have been saying, but not the base model.
$840?
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That's all I'm gonna say.
!!!That's all I'm gonna say.
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That's not a projection imo. There's a question mark there. My idea is that the arrow is placed on the leftmost side of the diagram because it would make no sense have it cross the other lines...
Deadmeat said:
SCEI's PSP sales projection. SCEI thinks the world goes crazy over all things SCEI and think they can do whatever they want...
That's not a projection imo. There's a question mark there. My idea is that the arrow is placed on the leftmost side of the diagram because it would make no sense have it cross the other lines...
That diagram represents Sony's wishful thinking, nothing else.
Did even GBA sell 10M in a single year? I am doubtful.
Did even GBA sell 10M in a single year? I am doubtful.
That's unconfirmed, but I would say "more than likely" to the Nth degree. No real reason to change their current gameplan in that--especially if they want to keep the machine low-cost and streamlined. They could always have Memory Stick hold up the general (and even "large purpose") flash storage if they want, but I'm sort of expecting them to include the HD-bay and sell the drive externally, a la the PS2. (Just this time they'd get the ball rolling faster. Heck, they could still use the 40GB ones they're using now, as the low cost add-in. An "AIW" version would likely have an enormous drive, and there certainly should be just THAT or nothing at all.)pc999 said:
Guden Oden said:
I'm not even sure 10M GBAs were MADE in the first year....
DudeWheresMyXbox
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Some people get really emotional about game consoles. Other people like to incite arguments. A lucky few carry both attributes.JasonLD said:
It would be pretty pathetic and highly unlikely for someone that actually worked at any one of these companies to start so many fights on these forums. If that's the case, they have some serious issues
You've got me wondering - Perhaps Sony is planning a future CELL-enabled revision of the PSX hardware that contains a large HDD. Besides the expected functionality, it would make a nice network-accessible hard disk for the PS3.Megadrive1988 said:
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What people are missing is the deteriorating financial health of SCEI; SCEI's barely breaking even from PSX2 business and has depleted its cash reserve on CELL, and this is why SCEI is resorting to issuing bonds to continue CELL research and fab investment.
When asked why PSP would launch at 250 pounds in UK, Chris Deering replied that SCEI needs to make profit on hardware itself; this is definitely a change of tone from the old SCEI that were not afraid to take $150 per unit losses on first batch of PSX2 units.
XBox Next is stripped to bare to be cheap, yet it will launch at $299. PSX3, loaded with expensive custom processors and non-standard memory, costs much more to build than XBox Next. What's SCEI got to do to justify PSX3's higher price?? Make it "All in One Wonder" box to justify its sticker shock. Kutaragi figures there are a couple million loyal early adapters who don't mind paying a rip-off price to get their hands on the first bach of PSX3s, so why not play these players to milk the last drop of yen/dollars out of their wallet???
No, SCEI probably has to do this to sell PSX3 without taking a loss.
What people are missing is the deteriorating financial health of SCEI; SCEI's barely breaking even from PSX2 business and has depleted its cash reserve on CELL, and this is why SCEI is resorting to issuing bonds to continue CELL research and fab investment.
When asked why PSP would launch at 250 pounds in UK, Chris Deering replied that SCEI needs to make profit on hardware itself; this is definitely a change of tone from the old SCEI that were not afraid to take $150 per unit losses on first batch of PSX2 units.
XBox Next is stripped to bare to be cheap, yet it will launch at $299. PSX3, loaded with expensive custom processors and non-standard memory, costs much more to build than XBox Next. What's SCEI got to do to justify PSX3's higher price?? Make it "All in One Wonder" box to justify its sticker shock. Kutaragi figures there are a couple million loyal early adapters who don't mind paying a rip-off price to get their hands on the first bach of PSX3s, so why not play these players to milk the last drop of yen/dollars out of their wallet???
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DM, you're as little a professor of business economics as you are a cmos engineer, so why you even speak up on issues like this is beyond me.
Then again, considering you seem to be the kind of person whose self-image rises and falls with the (mis)fortunes of the companies you hate, maybe the reason is pretty obvious after all.
Deadmeat said:
DM, you're as little a professor of business economics as you are a cmos engineer, so why you even speak up on issues like this is beyond me.
Then again, considering you seem to be the kind of person whose self-image rises and falls with the (mis)fortunes of the companies you hate, maybe the reason is pretty obvious after all.
If the three processor story true then I dont think the xbox2 is all that cheap, yes leaving out the HD will make the difference compared to xbox1 ... but I doubt they will use less mm2 of ICs than Sony. Sony owns it's own fabs, and their volume will probably be high enough to make the custom aspect of their ics an insignificant factor.
If you forget about the one time costs I dont think there will be a big difference in production costs between xbox2 and ps3, in fact ps3 will likely be cheaper ... and a lot faster.
If you forget about the one time costs I dont think there will be a big difference in production costs between xbox2 and ps3, in fact ps3 will likely be cheaper ... and a lot faster.
DudeWheresMyXbox
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When I say "PSX", I'm talking about the combined PS2/TV-recording box that Sony is selling in Japan right now. I'm not talking about the main line of PlayStation consoles (PS1, PS2, future PS3).
In a world where Sony continues making future revisions of integrated PSX set-top boxes, your terminology gets more confusing. A CELL-enabled PSX2 shipping a few months before PS3 would make your posts indecipherable. Help us understand you better!
What I was wondering: If Sony comes out with a revised version of the PSX device around the same time as PlayStation 3 (PS3), the PS3 could use the PSX HDD over the network for storage, Sony would save money, and anyone that really wanted a HDD would end up paying the premium for the PSX "home server" (us tech geeks that want it most will probably be the most willing to pay for it!).
Others have said it before, Deadmeat, but you really have to stop misusing "PSX".Deadmeat said:
When I say "PSX", I'm talking about the combined PS2/TV-recording box that Sony is selling in Japan right now. I'm not talking about the main line of PlayStation consoles (PS1, PS2, future PS3).
In a world where Sony continues making future revisions of integrated PSX set-top boxes, your terminology gets more confusing. A CELL-enabled PSX2 shipping a few months before PS3 would make your posts indecipherable. Help us understand you better!
What I was wondering: If Sony comes out with a revised version of the PSX device around the same time as PlayStation 3 (PS3), the PS3 could use the PSX HDD over the network for storage, Sony would save money, and anyone that really wanted a HDD would end up paying the premium for the PSX "home server" (us tech geeks that want it most will probably be the most willing to pay for it!).
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