XBOX 360 Chip Source Reference

[London Geezer]

If you have some ideas regarding component not supporting HDCP digital rights crap, well DUH, component isn't a digital format, so it wouldn't need it in the first place.

Well i thought that was the point. Because there is no way component will have HDCP, it shouldn't work. The signal will probably revert to ED resolution, like it does when you connect it any other way without HDCP. Or not work at all.

 

[Dave Baumann]

Its a handshaking mechanism. I think they way it will work is if something fails to report back to the content device (HD-DVD / Blue-Ray player) then it will refuse to play back the source - as component has no HDCP capabilities the player will go, "Nah, I'm not playing that" (at HD resolutions at the very least).

 

[Dave Baumann]

 

[Guden Oden]

Its a handshaking mechanism. I think they way it will work is if something fails to report back to the content device (HD-DVD / Blue-Ray player) then it will refuse to play back the source - as component has no HDCP capabilities the player will go, "Nah, I'm not playing that" (at HD resolutions at the very least).

What content providers are scared of are people making perfect digital copies of their precious movies, hence the development of HDCP on DVI and HDMI transmissions. Component isn't digital, so it therefore shouldn't trigger the providers' paranoia and thus allow HD resolutions despite not having any copyright protection features. After all, component is fully capable of transmitting HD resolutions, and in fact does so already right now.

 

[PC-Engine]

Hollywood does not want pirating of HD movies whether it's analog or digital.

 

[PG2G]

Yeha, the issue is they don't want people to record things at a quality that is so close to their masters. They couldn't care less about whether its analog or digital.

 

[mesyn191]

There is already stuff out there that can go through HDCP like a hot knife throug buttah':

http://www.spatz-tech.de/upconver.htm

$400EUR though, freakin' hell thats expensive, might be worth it in the long run though...

There are some comments by others who seem to know what they're talking about on the ars forums that suggest HDCP isn't hard to crack, just annoying and a PITA if Sony/publisher finds out and invalidates the keys thus disabling your hardware/software/movie*...

*Someone suggested that a cracker with enough devices could get enough keys decrypted that it'd be impracticle for them to disable the hardware/software/movie as they'd have to diable just about every player out there every sold, dunno if its BS or not but sounds interesting.

 

[NavNucST3]

What content providers are scared of are people making perfect digital copies of their precious movies, hence the development of HDCP on DVI and HDMI transmissions. Component isn't digital, so it therefore shouldn't trigger the providers' paranoia and thus allow HD resolutions despite not having any copyright protection features. After all, component is fully capable of transmitting HD resolutions, and in fact does so already right now.

You are absolutely correct, however, just as Toshiba stated for their HD DVD players, component out will only get you EDTV (480p), I am assuming the BDA will go the same route if they haven't already.

Also, if you think the number of HDTVs is low check the number of people that have DVI+HDCP (not just DVI) or HDMI, that number is probably miniscule. Whats truly regrettable is that there are still component only TVs on the market. My tube is component only, my LCD has both component and DVI(HDCP)

 

[Powderkeg]

I knew there was a reason I hadn't jumped on the HDTV bandwagon yet.

 

[Shifty Geezer]

There's an HDTV bandwagon?? I thought it was just one stray caravan.

 

[TrungGap]

There's an HDTV bandwagon?? I thought it was just one stray caravan.

LOL. While it may seem like that now. I think Sony got it right by nailing (digital) HD output right out the box. Though I don't think 2 HDMI outputs are needed (and a waste of money). HDTV will pickup soon...yeah, yeah, analysts been saying that like forever, but I believe HDTV for the mass will come soon.

Off topic: Too bad both Sony and MS didn't designed the system with removable optical drive instead of removable HDD. My problem is most of the time, the first thing that goes bad on a system is the optical drive, not HDD. I rather replace an optical drive than the entire core system.

 

[jvd]

THe more i hear about things the more sure I am that both hd-dvd and bluray are going to fail .

The large majority of hdtv users who are a small minoirty of tv owners wont be able to use hd res when using these machines because they require digital inputs like hdmi and dvi . The majority of hd-tv users don't have these .

I dunno what this industry is thinking . All i know is i want some of the pot

 

[mesyn191]

Yea it'll be interesting to see how well these new expensive consoles and HDTV's sell in the coming years, ecspecially since it looks like there is going to be a serious economic down turn in the US (dare I say it, recession!!) for at 5 years or so, probably longer. I expect DVD's to still be selling big for many years to come...

 

[London Geezer]

You are absolutely correct, however, just as Toshiba stated for their HD DVD players, component out will only get you EDTV (480p), I am assuming the BDA will go the same route if they haven't already.

Also, if you think the number of HDTVs is low check the number of people that have DVI+HDCP (not just DVI) or HDMI, that number is probably miniscule. Whats truly regrettable is that there are still component only TVs on the market. My tube is component only, my LCD has both component and DVI(HDCP)

Well in the UK, as of not too long ago (say a couple of months), an HDTV is not allowed to be called HDTV unless it has HDMI (or DVI with HDCP).
Though there are a hell of a lot of so called "high resolution" plasmas and LCDs people bought and they will be mightily pissed off when they find out their new shiny 3 month-old flatscreens won't work with HD material such as HD broadcasts or HD-DVD/BlueRay - even though the screen has enough resolution.
Though i'd blame them for not doing some research prior to splashing out thousands of pounds on new screens. Everyone has known about the future of HDTV in the UK for a while and know that Sky will only allow you to see HD material through HDMI.

 

[rabidrabbit]

Here any tv that has component, HDMI or DV-I connectors are usually called "HD-compatible" in most shops advertising, even though they are capable of only 800 x 480 resolution, or even worse.
The shops mislead that if you can just connect a HD device to a display, it's "HD-compatible".
They seem to be careful not to use the term "HD-Ready" for non HD resolution displays though.

 

[London Geezer]

Here any tv that has component, HDMI or DV-I connectors are usually called "HD-compatible" in most shops advertising, even though they are capable of only 800 x 480 resolution, or even worse.
The shops mislead that if you can just connect a HD device to a display, it's "HD-compatible".
They seem to be careful not to use the term "HD-Ready" for non HD resolution displays though.

Yes. The HD-Ready sticky is only given to sets with HDMI inputs.