Xbox 2 Hardware 'LOCKED DOWN' - More Information in 2005
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That's pretty much the only way I can read it, which is why I think they'll slip far enough into 2006 to let designs come to full fruition instead. More time to consolidate designs, more time to flesh out XNA (which they seem to be investing a lot in), more stable processes (and cheaper costs)...
Really it all depends how much advantage they think ~6 months would get them.
If it's 2005, though, IBM could handly 65nm, but TSMC doesn't look like it would. Not for what a proper launch would require.
Really it all depends how much advantage they think ~6 months would get them.
If it's 2005, though, IBM could handly 65nm, but TSMC doesn't look like it would. Not for what a proper launch would require.
KnightBreed
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If I'm not mistaken, there are front and rear projection LCoS units capable of 1080p out right now, but they are very expensive - especially the front projector.wco81 said:
I still don't get why people expect hdtv as the the minimum .
I dare say 99% of the people they are going to sell to wont have an hdtv set .
There is a reason why the switch off date keeps getting changed. Its teh slow ass adoption of it .
Not to mention all the idiots who voted for diffrent standards , which is only further slowing down the adoption of it , coupled with crazy high prices for it .
I can get a 32 inch regular tv for under 200$ at 800$ i can get a hdtv which wont support the highest res .
That whole situation that they made for themselves is going to come back and screw them in the ass . And you can ask natoma about that
I dare say 99% of the people they are going to sell to wont have an hdtv set .
There is a reason why the switch off date keeps getting changed. Its teh slow ass adoption of it .
Not to mention all the idiots who voted for diffrent standards , which is only further slowing down the adoption of it , coupled with crazy high prices for it .
I can get a 32 inch regular tv for under 200$ at 800$ i can get a hdtv which wont support the highest res .
That whole situation that they made for themselves is going to come back and screw them in the ass . And you can ask natoma about that
KnightBreed
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Are you talking about smaller direct view TVs like LCD and CRT? Why would you need HDTV resolutions for something less than 27"?jvd said:
Just a side note, but why would you need anything more than 640x480 for a 10" display?
For somebody with a HDTV (which model?), I would have expected you to be more understanding of the emerging formats and the clout that the market is gaining. For a market this "insignficant", companies seem to be pretty enthusiastic about spending millions of dollars developing new technologies to display smaller, brighter pixels.
The big 3 broadcast companies seemed quick to convert the majority of their primetime programming to 720p or 1080i. Fox will be aggressively pushing HDTV this fall with their own schedule of TV shows and multiple American football games every weekend.
For a market this "insignificant", people are also quick to ignore the fact that HDTV sales have risen dramatically in the past couple years. NPD group reported a 50% rise in HDTV sales in the 2003 period ending last September over the previous year.
Relatively speaking HDTV marketshare is still pretty small, but the early adopters have done an excellent job of pushing for more content and better prices. Anybody that thinks HDTV won't be a major bullet-point feature on the next generation consoles will greatly mistaken.
KnightBreed
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I would dare say that it a wild guess pulled from some orifice.jvd said:
Just guessing myself, but I expect 8-10% of the market to own a HDTV by 2006, which is significant in and of itself.Where on earth can you buy a 32" TV for <$200? The guy with a white van selling them off the street?
And you can ask natoma about that
Which other standards are you referring to? The widescreen PAL 540p (?) is only an issue if you're European.
edit: I meant PAL, not NTSC.
Minimum will still be the same as it is now--just 480p over 480i, since enough sets that are reasonably priced support it. (And I rather doubt the performance savings between the two will be cared about next gen.) But all the hardware will support 720p and 1080i, and I daresay a number of big titles will be aiming for those in the same way as they do other flashy features now. (And who really cares if NFL 2K6 or whatever supports? )
People won't have the sets yet, but the generation will last a while. Top tier developers will be supporting it for the overall impression it makes on gamers, and the rest will follow suit as HDTV sales pick up. Certainly before the NEXT-next generation there will be a sizable percentage of HDTV sets out there, and most devs/publishers will want to make sure their games keep up on that end.
)People won't have the sets yet, but the generation will last a while. Top tier developers will be supporting it for the overall impression it makes on gamers, and the rest will follow suit as HDTV sales pick up. Certainly before the NEXT-next generation there will be a sizable percentage of HDTV sets out there, and most devs/publishers will want to make sure their games keep up on that end.
NO you can get a 32 inch tv for under 200 (199$) at best buy , they were advertising them about 2 months ago.
WE got hdtv on the tv because one day that will be the format and my parents update tvs once every 20 years or so.
When my parents first got married they bought a 20 inch which stayed in our living room till my father bought a 60 inch projection screen. When my sister got married she took that tv and my father got a 60 inch plasma tv . I have a 45 inch plasma . It is a gateway . My baby sister has my old tv which suppots 480i and my younger sister at her dorm has a 32 inch lcd tv deal that supports sdtv .
My point being is there are many diffrent versions of hdtv . The more modes they have to program for means one of the advantages of the consoles over the pcs will be gone . People will get wildly diffrent performance at diffrent res .
But hey in a year or two we will find out who is right. You or me .
WE got hdtv on the tv because one day that will be the format and my parents update tvs once every 20 years or so.
When my parents first got married they bought a 20 inch which stayed in our living room till my father bought a 60 inch projection screen. When my sister got married she took that tv and my father got a 60 inch plasma tv . I have a 45 inch plasma . It is a gateway
. My baby sister has my old tv which suppots 480i and my younger sister at her dorm has a 32 inch lcd tv deal that supports sdtv . My point being is there are many diffrent versions of hdtv . The more modes they have to program for means one of the advantages of the consoles over the pcs will be gone . People will get wildly diffrent performance at diffrent res .
But hey in a year or two we will find out who is right. You or me .
VGA out would help a lot. I mean they can't expect everyone to play on normal TVs at 480i, considering the capabilities next gen hardware will have... It's just stupid.
Many many people will want to see the full detail of next gen eye candy, and hooking the thing up to a monitor will be ace.
No amount of AA will ever make up for the fact that 480i has to die.
Many many people will want to see the full detail of next gen eye candy, and hooking the thing up to a monitor will be ace.
No amount of AA will ever make up for the fact that 480i has to die.
jvd said:
Yeah i know. But it still has to DIIIIIEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
Megadrive1988
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can't all or most games simply support 480i, 480p, 720p and 1080i ?
MonkeyLicker
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Most TV's sold by the time the next-gen systems come out will be HDTV compatible (at least 480i/p 1080i).
There's new technology on the horizon from companies like Intel that are set to lower the price of HDTV significantly.
There's no way MS will let this portion of their market suffer.
People who own expensive TV's are people with more disposable income.
They're the people who will spend money on the latest and greatest technology and are no doubt a very important group.
There's new technology on the horizon from companies like Intel that are set to lower the price of HDTV significantly.
There's no way MS will let this portion of their market suffer.
People who own expensive TV's are people with more disposable income.
They're the people who will spend money on the latest and greatest technology and are no doubt a very important group.
