Touch down for Rover!!!

PC-Engine said:
Instruments: Cameras providing 360-degree, stereoscopic views; rock abrasion tool; microscopic imager and spectrometer to study rocks and soil samples.
Spirit also has an X-Ray detector as well. The only thing Spirit doesn't have (besides simple weather instruments that NASA had on past probes) is the "mole" and ovens. But if you want to talk science density, look at how much stuff Viking 1&2 had in them. The Viking had way more "test for life" experiments on it than either Spirit or Beagle.

Mission length: At least three months, roving on a six-wheeled frame up to 40 meters each day.

This is primarily probably a conservative estimate of MTBF, and one of budgeting. What was the predicated "mission length" of Voyager and Pioneer vs actual? If Spirit makes it past 90 days with no data showing degradation, they may fund it for a few more months.

The point of Spirit isn't to test for life (Viking/Beagle). I don't even think the point of Spirit is to search for the conditions of life. I think Spirit's primary purpose is a technology demonstration program to refine rover technology for an eventual sample search and return mission from Mars before the first manned mission. Just like Deep Space 1 was an ion-engine test platform, and PathFinder was the test mission for air-bag landings and mini-rovers, I think Spirit is just an alpha test of things to come, not a one off mission.

Deep Space 2, had it worked, would have proven NASA could send $27 million 3.7kg probes into the martial soil (ala "mole" on Beagle) on a shoe string budget. It failed, so we may not see anymore of those missions (shame, since the whole thing cost like $30m) . Had it succeeded, there probably would have been a follow on mission with more numerous and fancier probes.


I've had my fill of stationary/immobile landers. I must admit, I find Spirit alot more "sexy" than the stationary probes. The rover technology could also be used on the Moon, and perhaps other moons too. Here's hoping NASA can finally relaunch their space nuclear power program (over and above, yes pax, the protests from nutty anti-newkulor peace groups)
 
Hey DC, you sound like you know this stuff well. Ive read (from /.) that nasa originally wanted to use radioctive batteries which would have given a mission life of 5+ years. But due to all the enviromnental wackos they decided on something else. Any truth to this.

later,
epic
 
Great quote from another (British) forum:

Far from being a failure, Beagle was seen as a direct threat by the Martians, who opted to destroy it.

:LOL:

MuFu.
 
epicstruggle said:
Hey DC, you sound like you know this stuff well. Ive read (from /.) that nasa originally wanted to use radioctive batteries which would have given a mission life of 5+ years. But due to all the enviromnental wackos they decided on something else. Any truth to this.

later,
epic
The mission I worked on considered using RHU (radioisotope heater units--they generate a few watts of heat, but no electricity) to keep our electronics warm. In the end, they didn't fit into our budget (they're expensive due to what they are and the increased handling required), and they suffered the problem of not being able to turn them off.

I'm not sure if this mission was considering using them, or RTG (radioisotope thermal generators) which generate heat and electricity. Usually the RTGs are only used for missions where solar panels become useless (like outer solar system probes).

I remember being down at the Cape when Cassini (which used RTGs) launched, and there were protesters complaining about the potential of a in atmosphere catostrophic loss and subsequent spreading of plutonium, but in general these concerns are misplaced.

http://www.seds.org/spaceviews/cassini/rtg.html
 
Anyone want to hedge their bets?

I'm betting a manned spaceflight to Mars in 100 years, given the pace we're moving at now. Colonizing Mars in 200. Yes, I am taking into account the thus far exponential growth in computer power.

Star Trek in about 400 or so years? :)

Sigh. If only spaceflight were as simple, relatively speaking, as flight in an atmosphere.
 
Natoma said:
Sigh. If only spaceflight were as simple, relatively speaking, as flight in an atmosphere.
Why cant it be simple? If we could only eliminate the getting into space part. Then I think things will drastically change. Here is where a space elevator would be most helpful. :)

later,
epic
 
MuFu said:
Great quote from another (British) forum:

Far from being a failure, Beagle was seen as a direct threat by the Martians, who opted to destroy it.

:LOL:

MuFu.


Now i am waiting for the footage of the internals of the martian beast who swollowed it....

lol....perhaps it was hit while crossing a martian street...
 
epicstruggle said:
Natoma said:
Sigh. If only spaceflight were as simple, relatively speaking, as flight in an atmosphere.
Why cant it be simple? If we could only eliminate the getting into space part. Then I think things will drastically change. Here is where a space elevator would be most helpful. :)

later,
epic

actually a station on the moon would help reduce costs by a crap load . Imagine building probes and launching them from the moon. Not only would it save some time. But it would greatly reduce the cost of sending them off earth .
 
Gimme warp drive. :)

Until we can build space vehicles out of something other than aluminum foil, I think it's safe to say that we aren't going anywhere for a while. :)
 
jvd said:
actually a station on the moon would help reduce costs by a crap load . Imagine building probes and launching them from the moon. Not only would it save some time. But it would greatly reduce the cost of sending them off earth .
Id love to see a moon base. And then plans to get to an asteroid or two. But a space elevator would trump any other means of getting to space, for me at least.

later,
epic
 
epicstruggle said:
jvd said:
actually a station on the moon would help reduce costs by a crap load . Imagine building probes and launching them from the moon. Not only would it save some time. But it would greatly reduce the cost of sending them off earth .
Id love to see a moon base. And then plans to get to an asteroid or two. But a space elevator would trump any other means of getting to space, for me at least.

later,
epic
what is a space elvator
 
jvd said:
what is a space elvator
A space elevator is essentially a long cable extending from our planet's surface into space with its center of mass at geostationary Earth orbit (GEO), 35,786 km in altitude. Electromagnetic vehicles traveling along the cable could serve as a mass transportation system for moving people, payloads, and power between Earth and space.
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http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/space_elevator_020327-1.html
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,57536,00.html
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast07sep_1.htm

The idea is quite neat, and if we could build extremely strong nanotubes we could have a space elevator in decades. ;)

later,
epic
 
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