The Silence of the Liberals
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If you haven't noticed, it seems the police are there merely to protect posessions. Since many in these ghettos have no property, they won't show up for crimes committed there. No, the police just show up because paranoid white people in gated communities are terrified of black crackheads breaking into their homes to steal their home theatre equipment.
Or that it's just these communities have no voice and aren't organized enough to demand the police do anything.
Or that it's just these communities have no voice and aren't organized enough to demand the police do anything.
I get sick and tired of seeing police continually critized for taking down(arresting) criminals, because these criminals are mainly(proportionaly speaking) blacks. Look for some reason young black people are more likely to commit violent crime. Hey even Chris Rock said he was scare of large groups of black youngesters.
Anyways, Minn. should just let its criminals go and just talk about healing. Lets see how fast the populace cries out for republicans to take over.
later,
epic
Anyways, Minn. should just let its criminals go and just talk about healing. Lets see how fast the populace cries out for republicans to take over.
later,
epic
Just remember guys the only people who can criticize a minority is the minority in question. Otherwise you run the risk of being labeled racist.
I don't make blanket statements about a group based on their skin color but there is a fantastic correlation statistically speaking with regards to that demographic that is difficult to ignore. Spare me the typical victim of the white man explanations. In fact I will go as far as too say that this mentality is a large part of the problem and they vindicate their actions by proxy of being so hard done by.
I don't make blanket statements about a group based on their skin color but there is a fantastic correlation statistically speaking with regards to that demographic that is difficult to ignore. Spare me the typical victim of the white man explanations. In fact I will go as far as too say that this mentality is a large part of the problem and they vindicate their actions by proxy of being so hard done by.
Actually the corrolation has more to do with poverty than race epicstruggle and Sabastian. Those that are in poverty have a far higher crime rate per capita than those who are not in poverty. That cuts across all racial lines.
However, there are proven statistics that show a bias against blacks in the criminal court system, especially in cases of sentencing. A white man who is sentenced for a drug crime is more likely to be given probation and a light jail term for a first offense. A black man sentenced for the same crime is more likely to be given a much lengthier sentence.
The rates of crime are more indicative of poverty and destitution that are found in all societies, but that does not discount the fact that racially based inequities do exist in the criminal justice system. Our criminal justice system, for what it's worth, is not truly blind. We all carry biases around with us that color our perceptions. If I walk through a dirt poor, crime ridden, white neighborhood, I still feel safer than walking through a dirt poor black neighborhood. And there are plenty in NYC. If I see a large white man walking toward me at night, I feel less fear than if I see a large black man walking toward me at night.
Is that fair or right? Certainly not. I fight against that fear all the time by using my brain instead of succumbing to my baser instincts. But is it something that has become a learned response due to different aspects of our society? Certainly. And it pervades much of what happens in our society. To deny that, however painful it may be, is to not look at the situation honestly.
However, there are proven statistics that show a bias against blacks in the criminal court system, especially in cases of sentencing. A white man who is sentenced for a drug crime is more likely to be given probation and a light jail term for a first offense. A black man sentenced for the same crime is more likely to be given a much lengthier sentence.
The rates of crime are more indicative of poverty and destitution that are found in all societies, but that does not discount the fact that racially based inequities do exist in the criminal justice system. Our criminal justice system, for what it's worth, is not truly blind. We all carry biases around with us that color our perceptions. If I walk through a dirt poor, crime ridden, white neighborhood, I still feel safer than walking through a dirt poor black neighborhood. And there are plenty in NYC. If I see a large white man walking toward me at night, I feel less fear than if I see a large black man walking toward me at night.
Is that fair or right? Certainly not. I fight against that fear all the time by using my brain instead of succumbing to my baser instincts. But is it something that has become a learned response due to different aspects of our society? Certainly. And it pervades much of what happens in our society. To deny that, however painful it may be, is to not look at the situation honestly.
I don't blame the police for not doing anything, just by doing their job they're often suspended or constantly investigated for not being sensitive enough in enforcing the law or protecting honest citizens...
As in the case with Nathaniel Jones... not 24 hours after he was pronounced dead, there were dozens of protestors calling for severe punishment of the police involved, reguardless of the video tape showing that giant attacking police and then refusing to submit... Combined with the racism inspiration channel (BET) replaying ONLY the 10 second "beating" section of the video and NEVER ONCE showing Mr. Jones attacking the police, there is only one source for blame...
Not only do you make officers second guess everything they do, there by endangering them further, but in the end you begin to demoralize even the most altruistic with allegations of racism where there is none... call them hate mongers or monsters when the vast majority are self sacrificing and deserving of 1000 times more respect..
You cannot expect your police force to deal with the hordes of non-caring violent youth, and proceed to hamstring them every time they hurt someones feelings.. It'll continue until someone takes a no tolerance stance and supports the police & the law over the offended in waiting.
As in the case with Nathaniel Jones... not 24 hours after he was pronounced dead, there were dozens of protestors calling for severe punishment of the police involved, reguardless of the video tape showing that giant attacking police and then refusing to submit... Combined with the racism inspiration channel (BET) replaying ONLY the 10 second "beating" section of the video and NEVER ONCE showing Mr. Jones attacking the police, there is only one source for blame...
Not only do you make officers second guess everything they do, there by endangering them further, but in the end you begin to demoralize even the most altruistic with allegations of racism where there is none... call them hate mongers or monsters when the vast majority are self sacrificing and deserving of 1000 times more respect..
You cannot expect your police force to deal with the hordes of non-caring violent youth, and proceed to hamstring them every time they hurt someones feelings.. It'll continue until someone takes a no tolerance stance and supports the police & the law over the offended in waiting.
Yea I remember the Nathaniel Jones case. I had an argument with my boyfriend about that. He described what was shown on CNN and MSNBC news and quite naturally I was horrified. Then I got a chance to see the tape more in full, and I told him that as bad as the beating was, the guy simply would not submit.
If a 300+ lbs guy were charging me full steam and throwing haymakers at my face you can believe I'd try to do anything to get him down without killing him or seriously injuring him. But in the heat of the moment can things happen? Certainly.
There are other cases of police brutality like the Amadou Diallo case here in NY that are clearly excessive however. The police were searching for a rapist and knocked on his door. He reached inside his jacket pocket when he was at the door and the police thought he was reaching for a gun when in fact all he was doing was getting his wallet out. The officers shot him at him 41 times, hitting him 19 times. There are a lot of cases that are clearly excessive. But the Nathaniel Jones case is certainly not one of them.
The major problem is when you live in a community where you see things like this day in and day out, and you know these things go on far more often than is reported on the news, you take things like the Nathaniel Jones case with a large grain of salt and automatically assume it's the same thing over again. I don't see it that way, but I can understand why others would, even in the face of the evidence that Nathaniel Jones frankly did this to himself by not surrendering.
If a 300+ lbs guy were charging me full steam and throwing haymakers at my face you can believe I'd try to do anything to get him down without killing him or seriously injuring him. But in the heat of the moment can things happen? Certainly.
There are other cases of police brutality like the Amadou Diallo case here in NY that are clearly excessive however. The police were searching for a rapist and knocked on his door. He reached inside his jacket pocket when he was at the door and the police thought he was reaching for a gun when in fact all he was doing was getting his wallet out. The officers shot him at him 41 times, hitting him 19 times. There are a lot of cases that are clearly excessive. But the Nathaniel Jones case is certainly not one of them.
The major problem is when you live in a community where you see things like this day in and day out, and you know these things go on far more often than is reported on the news, you take things like the Nathaniel Jones case with a large grain of salt and automatically assume it's the same thing over again. I don't see it that way, but I can understand why others would, even in the face of the evidence that Nathaniel Jones frankly did this to himself by not surrendering.
I agree with this no problem.. The problem today is that officers are assumed guilty until proven innocent. If they blatantly (and tragically), as with Mr. Diallo, kill or severely injure someone without cause then they should be punished.
I can also agree that such incidents quite likely do happen more than I know of. However, my statement still is that the majority of police are simply out doing their job and what they feel is right.. but at present the police must work while being attacked from what seems to be all sides..
George Orwell said:
.. This is the basic idea, the people required to enforce justice on the violent or uncaring selection of society are often forced to be hard and at times violent themselves. If you truly want to free inner cities from crime then you must take a much harder and quite often unfriendly approach.
If not .. well we can continue lamenting the loss of our promising young adults and children who will never get a chance.Hi Guys,
I live in Minneapolis. The article makes it sound like things are really terrible here, but they arn't that bad. About 8 years ago when I was 15 years old I worked in a rather bad part of Minneapolis (just off Lake and Chicago for those if you in the know) and yes there is crime, yes there is poverty, and yes it can be a dangerous place. Otoh though, as a 15 year old white kid riding the city bus every day there and back, the worst problem I ever had was drunks begging me for spare change.
Contrast that with about 3 months ago when in a fairly upstanding neighborhood our room was broken into at about 5 in the morning by a white guy while we were sleeping in bed. After the police came (which took forever), they continueally claimed it must have been "the wind" that opened the door (Though I caught them in a logical error, and they ended up brushing the whole thing off). What's worse, is that they advised not bothering to fill out a police report because it wouldn't actually make any difference as to catching the guy.
The author seems to be implying that black criminals are being given special favor over white criminals becuase of their skin color, but quite honestly I have not seen or heard this to ever be the case while I've lived here. Yes there are problems with violence, and yes Minneapolis police are pretty bad at taking care of things sometimes, but it strikes me that the author is using all of this simply to further his agena.
Thanks,
Nite_Hawk
I live in Minneapolis. The article makes it sound like things are really terrible here, but they arn't that bad. About 8 years ago when I was 15 years old I worked in a rather bad part of Minneapolis (just off Lake and Chicago for those if you in the know) and yes there is crime, yes there is poverty, and yes it can be a dangerous place. Otoh though, as a 15 year old white kid riding the city bus every day there and back, the worst problem I ever had was drunks begging me for spare change.
Contrast that with about 3 months ago when in a fairly upstanding neighborhood our room was broken into at about 5 in the morning by a white guy while we were sleeping in bed. After the police came (which took forever), they continueally claimed it must have been "the wind" that opened the door (Though I caught them in a logical error, and they ended up brushing the whole thing off). What's worse, is that they advised not bothering to fill out a police report because it wouldn't actually make any difference as to catching the guy.
The author seems to be implying that black criminals are being given special favor over white criminals becuase of their skin color, but quite honestly I have not seen or heard this to ever be the case while I've lived here. Yes there are problems with violence, and yes Minneapolis police are pretty bad at taking care of things sometimes, but it strikes me that the author is using all of this simply to further his agena.
Thanks,
Nite_Hawk
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