The real threat of the Wii: Do we really want a Nintendo hegemony?

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That thread on the Wii being a threat to hardcore gaming is, I think, close to the mark but not accurate. The real danger is that since Nintendo is already a dominant company in the handheld market, they will with a dominant Wii procede to dominate the entire gaming industry in way we haven't seen since the SNES days. With Nintendo in the drivers seat in nearly all gaming outside PC gaming, they can now force the majority of third parties to their will. If they don't like very violent games, developers of violent games will dramatically suffer. Since the Wii is underpowered, same thing will happen with games with great graphics as well. So will just about any other type of game happen that bucks the trend with Nintendo. It is very likely that the diversity of existing gaming will drop dramatically due to this, and surprisingly enough innovating future games that innovate in a manner different from Nintendo will suffer too.

So the question is, do we really want a Nintendo hegemony, where the majority of the gaming industry is forced to go through Nintendo's HQ? It is quite possible that the Wii will hurt the industry simply because of the position Nintendo is in. It may seem weird that "innovation" and "expanding the market" can hurt an industry, but that is very similar what natural monopolies are. If one company can simply overpower its competitors with a better or cheaper product to the point where its competitors cannot compete, like in a natural monopoly, then the industry will suffer. For instance, Microsoft Windows is a natural monopoly, and very few argue that is good for the OS industry. The simple act of concentrating that kind of power in a single company is the danger, and how the company achieved that power is nearly irrelevant. This is the danger of the Wii, and it may be good for the industry if either the Wii or the DS fails.

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Who cares? Nintendo being top dog doesn't stop Sony and MS doing their thing. As long as they have viable platforms, people will create for them. Selling DS 2:1 PSP hasn't ended PSP. Let Nintendo rule the gaming world of the masses if they can. Let the populace at large play nothing but Mario. For those that want a different experience, it's available to them in the alternative consoles.
 
I think you people give way too much credit to the popularity (or sales) of the console. The popularity of McDonald and Chevy Cavalier has nothing to do with how good they are, or in Craperlier's case, how relevant it is.
 
If a company wants to make a mature violent game they can put it on the 360. It is not like the Wii will be the only viable platform like the NES or GB. The 360 has been a gold mine for many 3rd parties in the west. Sure the Wii might in 6-12 months have the largest userbase that does not mean the 360 and PS3 are dead.
 
SO,you said the Nintendo will be worster than the M$ or the Sony? LOL

I don't think that it was serius.The ten year of the monopoly of sony was not bad?
 
If a company wants to make a mature violent game they can put it on the 360. It is not like the Wii will be the only viable platform like the NES or GB. The 360 has been a gold mine for many 3rd parties in the west. Sure the Wii might in 6-12 months have the largest userbase that does not mean the 360 and PS3 are dead.

I actually agree with this..

As even nintendo themselves have stated they aren't specifically persuing the same market as the other platform holders..

As a result I don't imagine Wii sales to significantly affect either of the other two (however PS3 and Xbox360 will continue to directly compete)..

My reasoning is this:

A) Gaming enthusiasts who care about HD don't consider price a factor have (or will within the next few months) pick up there HD console(s) since they offer a quality of audio-visual and feature/services that are unrivalled on the market..

B) Gaming enthusiasts who care about playing something different and are(n't) price sensitive will pick up the Wii..

C) Gaming enthusiasts who care about HD and are price sensitive will purchase there Xbox360 or PS3 once the price has come down enough..

D) Casuals/non-gamers who are attracted to pretty pictures or non-gaming features such as blu-ray may pick up there Xbox360 or PS3 once they become more affordable..

E) Casuals/non-gamers who are attracted to eyes-on-intuitive never-before-seen-gaming-systems may pick up a Wii (if they haven't already) at some point during the course of its lifespan..


Now some interesting points..:

1) Catagories A & B aren't mutually exclusive..
2) Catagories C & B aen't mutually exclusive..
3) Catagories D & E aren't mutually exclusive..

So after another 3-4 years, when the Wii has amassed an install base in the hundred millions (possibly 200-250ish) it STILL doesn't mean that the Xbox360 or the PS3 couldn't necessarily grow their own install bases to any significant degree.. Personally I (wildly) estimate PS3 will hit around 75-95 million (due to PS2 switchover once the price has reached "mass market") whilst the Xbox360 will grow it's own to around 65-85 million by the end of their cycles (however long they'll be)..

It really isn't wise to view current sales trends of the HD consoles with respect to the Wii and claim that the Wii has "Won" because in my oppinion the Wii is not only fighting a different battle alltogether, but it's already priced for the mass market..

And considering both the Xbox360 and the PS3 are currently priced higher than their predecessors AND they are outperforming them in sales respectively, I don't think we will really get to see how well these platforms will do until the prices come down, software libraries reach critical mass, general consumer HD awareness reaches critical mass, sales pick up, momentum increases etc..
 
SO,you said the Nintendo will be worster than the M$ or the Sony? LOL

I don't think that it was serius.The ten year of the monopoly of sony was not bad?

Actually it wasn't..

Other platforms were still able to thrive and grow (even though overall sales were poor in comparison), allowing brand awareness to increase enough to help these said competitors push into the current console space with much greater sales potential than in the PS2 days..

Also Sony have been all about software diversity and having the games that cater for everybody from day one..

This is one of the reasons why I believe they did so well for the past decade and one of the big lessons learn't by Sony's competitors this cycle..
 
Actually it wasn't..

Other platforms were still able to thrive and grow (even though overall sales were poor in comparison), allowing brand awareness to increase enough to help these said competitors push into the current console space with much greater sales potential than in the PS2 days..

Also Sony have been all about software diversity and having the games that cater for everybody from day one..

This is one of the reasons why I believe they did so well for the past decade and one of the big lessons learn't by Sony's competitors this cycle..

Sony just took the genesis model and took it to the next level is all. Every company wants lots of different software on their consoles. The market leader will always have a diverse library by just winning and getting support by default. If the Wii wins I can guarentee there will be a large diverse library of software for it.

You must of not been around for the PS1 days because sony discouraged 2D. games.
 
What fever is gaining posters here since a few weeks ?

I can't believe the type of topics we had. To sum up :
- Art will be limited on Wii
- Is Wii "next-gen" ?
- And now "You should be all threatened !" (boo)

Many are trying at the same time :
- to diminish the Wii
- to positive what the competitors are doing, even if it seems that people does not care much ATM.

We may discuss all the day long but it is obvious we won' t be invaded by mushrooms if Nintendo happens to be first this gen.

Sorry, but i think we had enough loads of FPS, racing games and sports games for 10 years. All these games are basically the same, so you can understand why people are not urging to buy them on "next-gen".

IMO, personnal ROI on Xbox360 and PS3 in not enough ATM for me to buy it. In 2 years, when they will both be 200 € cheaper, i will question myself.

Am i alone in this case ? Obviously not.

Please note that in 2 years (as for now) :
- What would be my interest in Internet browsing given i have now 3 PC at home ?
- Multimedia : one of my PC will be upgraded with HD-DVD and BR players. So what will bring me these in my consoles ? (on mm side)

This fact is this is neither Nintendo's fault nor "mainstream" 's one (or mine).

Nintendo has succeeded this gen to suppress its "kiddy" image for mainstream.
So what are prople looking for now : "it is not a device for multimedia or hardcore gamers".

Whao !
 
You must of not been around for the PS1 days because sony discouraged 2D. games.

No they didn't... As far as I can remember, only in first year or two did they encourage studios to produce 3D titles, and that was mainly to distinguish the platform more from the Saturn. But I don't ever recall Sony ever discouraging us from producing 2D titles, and they certainly had nowhere near the hold over the industry that Nintendo had in the NES days...
 
That thread on the Wii being a threat to hardcore gaming is, I think, close to the mark but not accurate. The real danger is that since Nintendo is already a dominate company in the handheld market, they will with a dominate Wii procede to dominate the entire gaming industry.

Carl B is going to have a stroke with all those dominates, except with the last one. :smile:
 
Interesting threwad but a bit overly alarmist I think.

Nintend oisn't dominating right now in stationary console space. The 360 is still the leading next-gen paltform and the PS2 is still the market leader overall.

Even should Wii become leading next-gen console (if things continue this way it seems likely) they still won't DOMINATE because the other platforms are also very strong.

And the Wii isn't a hardcore platform so it won't be able to handle high-tech software titles aimed at "serious" gamers. Another reason why Nintendo in fact can't dominate with its current hardware line-up..


Still it's an interesting topic because Nintendo does seem to be in a position to reclaim some ground it lost in previous generations due to blindness arrogance and inflexibility.

Interestingly these are bad traits Sony seemed to have inherited over the past couple years and MS already possess since long. :cool: Except of course MS is sswimming in money and doesn't have to care that people feel they're arrogant. They can do things the way they please regardless and developers flock around them because they're MS; the company's rich and stable and dependable. And their platform is well balanced.

So Nintendo can't dominate the way they did in the 80s.

Peace.
 
What games are there worth buying for the Wii? And are there titles on the way that will carry the Wii in to the future. In other words is the gimmick for good or is it short lived.
 
Carl B is going to have a stroke with all those dominates, except with the last one. :smile:

LOL, hilarious... I was actually thinking just that when I was reading! :p

Good god people, will the Internet become the tool that destroys language?

Dominate is something you do, dominant is something you are.

I'm seeing dominate used incorrectly these days to the extent of 'looser.'
 
And the Wii isn't a hardcore platform so it won't be able to handle high-tech software titles aimed at "serious" gamers. Another reason why Nintendo in fact can't dominate with its current hardware line-up..

Well I dont think any platform is hardcore (besides, what is hardcore?). You need atleast casual gamers to be succesfull. I also see no reason why the Wii couldnt be a platform also suited for hardcore gamers. To me hardcore gamers are people who like games because they are good games, not because they have the greatest gfx. But I guess today it seems that you can only call yourself hardcore if you are a gfx whore rather than appreciating a good game as a whole.
 
To me hardcore gamers are people who can enjoy any game if the gameplay is there. People who only play the latest 'cool' games and and baulk at games like Mario because they look cartoony are casual gamers IMO.

Oh and please for the love of Beyond3D stop these silly "Wii is the devil" threads. Its gotten very old very fast.
 
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