The LAST R600 Rumours & Speculation Thread
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But, as near as I can tell, we're talking about marketplace here.
Depends upon how it sold. Probably. I mean, I would probably still have wanted one, given that I play OpenGL games fairly frequently and dual-boot with Linux. But it would likely not have done nearly as well in the marketplace as the R520 had that occurred.
you can start a rumour.. but no one will follow.
Now.. if you're talking about R700....
That's not equal to a failure though and i think that that's what Ailuros argues against.
No it wouldn't had done as well overall, but you'd have a hard time calling it a failure too. I have severe doubts it would had affected the persentage raise NV saw in the notebook market as just one example.
My point is actually that despite R520 being late, it most certainly wasn't and isn't giving NV a free ticket to ride. Competition is still to the day fierce even with those delays.
It would still be admired, it would'nt have sold as well though and it certainly wouldn't be considered a failure.
It also depends on how mature the drivers would be at release time, since the 520 got a big boosts after a few months, ATi would've probably did the same as nV and release their mature drivers just in time for the reviews.. the G70 would've looked like an unimpressive product and a GTX512 would probably never see the day.
To come back to R600, before we can see a wide pallette of the architecture's possible advantages and disadvantages it's way too early to speculate on possible successes or failures simply based on 3-4 months later appearance.
If the higher power consumption rumours are true, I could eventually speculate that recapturing the lost persentage in the laptop market might get from hard to impossible.
If the higher power consumption rumours are true, I could eventually speculate that recapturing the lost persentage in the laptop market might get from hard to impossible.
Well, the X2100(M71-M) is allready on sale in indonesia and I haven't seen anything of a mobile G8X yet, so the Laptop graphics aren't hurt yet. the only thing that hurt ati in the laptop market is the enthusiast approach of MXM.
The x2300 is a x1450 and seeing the part number for the x2300 (M64-s versus M64-p) I can't image that the 2300 will support SM4, the X2100 looks like it does. So I don't think ATi actually lost the race for space in the slots of the notebook manufacturers this time.
edit: actually the X2300 is allready listed in the linux release notes:
http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.32.5.html
Asus A65R specs http://www.bhinneka.com/ASPX/pro_display_detail.aspx?i=SKU00706928&mb=0
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Are X2300 and X2100 DX10 GPUs or R600 based? Have u more infos about these GPUs?
That wasn't his fault. Our "new members spam sniffer" can be thanked for that. It's done a wonderful job on cutting down on spam, but it does occassionally cause some temporary frustration for legitimate new members.
A little souvenir to sustain the viral marketing theory : http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33869&highlight=amd+viral
But I still bet on "forumist bored of doing fake powerpoints".
But I still bet on "forumist bored of doing fake powerpoints".
Thanks for the sarcasm.
I am sorry for double posting but the first one didn't show up for me. I tried to refresh a page few times but it wasn't there so I posted again, this time with more details. I really feel bad for disturbing you that much.
No I am not. Thanks for the sarcasm again, you must be in a very good mood. Just don't mind my posts in the future please.
I still think that this early "review" is kind of a desparate attempt to buy some time for the product which has missed the launch window just like the several other ATI's products lately.
When did ATI release a press statement that they would launch a R6X0 based card?
I don't really know what they are about. There are plenty of indicators it's NOT AMD tho. For one thing, there's a remarkable absence of "AMD" in key places that wouldn't fit their current branding strategy. For another, they *told* DailyTech that two of them were "directly affilliated" with AMD Business Development, which admitting such would work against the whole theme of a viral campaign of this particular type. And thirdly I'm still deeply convinced some of those specs are wrong and I don't think an official, even official/undercover, public AMD operation of this kind would put false specs into public.
Edit: Actually, so far as that goes, there's a remarkable absence of "Radeon" at that site that would probably get any official (but undercover) AMD marketer fired. "R600" is not an actual public brand that AMD has an interest in building, per se. Its the enthusiast/geek codename. Official marketers would have started with their uber super secret revelation of the Radeon Xwhatever, and plastered that everywhere rather than "ATI R600" (which is what is actually plastered at that site). They (claim to) know its launching January 22nd, and don't have the name of the skus that will be for sale? Does that pass the smell test for an "official but undercover" site? Not for me.
Edit: Actually, so far as that goes, there's a remarkable absence of "Radeon" at that site that would probably get any official (but undercover) AMD marketer fired. "R600" is not an actual public brand that AMD has an interest in building, per se. Its the enthusiast/geek codename. Official marketers would have started with their uber super secret revelation of the Radeon Xwhatever, and plastered that everywhere rather than "ATI R600" (which is what is actually plastered at that site). They (claim to) know its launching January 22nd, and don't have the name of the skus that will be for sale? Does that pass the smell test for an "official but undercover" site? Not for me.
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We are discussing 2 different things here. You are supporting the technology at ATI which I agree is as good or better in most cases as Nvidia's. The point I continue to make is that ATI has stumbled badly on yet another product launch (regardles of ATI not officially providing launch dates) and Nvidia has another uncontested high gross margin pricing environment.
The result of this repeated and systemic culture of missed product cycles and late launches ATI has lost their huge advantage in mobile market share and have seen margins crater into the 20's. This left the company vulnerable to a takeover which AMD exploited and took advantage of. ATI's quarterly revenue is estimated to have fallen to $380 million with a negative EPS of about .23 cents. They were up well over $600 million just 1 or 2 quarters ago. Once you peel away the loss of Intel chipset business they still have continued to lose share to Nvidia for one simple reason...late to market. It is a common theme in mobile, server, midrange and now once again the flagship desktop.
Ever since ATI got away from the lower clocks, smaller die sizes and using mature manufaturing processes like they did with R3xx they have stumbled badly on product releases and time to market. ATI instead went with higher clocks, new and unproven manufacturing processes, bigger die sizes and overall hotter and more complex chips than Nvidia. Why? This is where my "infatuated with the technology" comment stems from. Ever since an engineer (Orton) was elected CEO this has been the mantra...push the technology and manufacturing process envelope and be late to market.
Who learned from the R3xx vs NV30 fight? Nvidia did. ATI switched places on die sizes, clock speeds and manufacturing processes. The end result is undisputable once you look at the market share, revenue, gross margin and operating income from both companies. ATI is simply incapable of leading the GPU market and has responded to Nvidia in every instance for the past several years.
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