The LAST R600 Rumours & Speculation Thread
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Where is Aristotle when you need him!?
vertex_shader
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If latest delay rumors are true, i think AMD never can catch up NV in the gpu market again (only when NV make a mistake), so time come to kick out Dave Orton from AMD.
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Please tell me you're kidding..
Why the sudden change? You seemed certain before you edited the post?
vertex_shader
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vertex_shader
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It was a write mistake, my english is not perfect, i see minutes later what i write was wrong, sorry :smile2:
I'm not entirely sure if you're being serious or just sarcastic, yet I have the highest respect for Orton mostly for the successes he helped achieve since the wheel of the company came to his hands.
chavvdarrr
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Can we count successes and failures?
R300 - success
R420&480 - so-so
R520 - failure
R580 - failure (too late to the market)
R600 - coming late.
Actually R580 was right on schedule. R520 was supposed to be released in the May-June timeframe before G70. We all know now that it got postponed, but it didn't affect R580 release schedule (6 months after R520). It stayed right on track and got launched even before G71. If R520 had launched in time, things would've looked very differently nowadays.
chavvdarrr
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well, if we look at mid-segment there are much more failures... 1600 vs 7600 anybody? "pci-e" will be adopted in next 3 months?
Fact is, last 2 years ATi is on defensive and is constantly losing share and selling lower-margin products.
Fact is, last 2 years ATi is on defensive and is constantly losing share and selling lower-margin products.
Ah, yes, nothing like waking up to the morning overreaction to an Inq piece ("I love the smell of napalm in the morning").
Tho it's interesting to note that CJ's source is saying April (at best) and Inq is now saying early March (which is closer to what Hexus reported awhile back). If I had to pick right now I'm still leaning 2nd 1/2 of Feb/early March, but that's just a guess.
Tho it's interesting to note that CJ's source is saying April (at best) and Inq is now saying early March (which is closer to what Hexus reported awhile back). If I had to pick right now I'm still leaning 2nd 1/2 of Feb/early March, but that's just a guess.
vertex_shader
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R580 not was a failure.
I think ATi problems started in the r420->r480 refresh timeframe, they have no sm3.0+HDR support (NV PR was very good here and many users eat the sm3.0+hdr PR, reviewers overhyped sm3.0+HDR too), NV skip the NV40 part refresh and catch up some time here what they loose with the nv3x time, than ATi loose some time with the R520, but catch back with R580, but they PR was still crap, they can't make positve things for the G7x texture shimmering, still many reviwers using default quality in G7x reviews, and some big site find this problem 2-4 weeks before G80 released. (shimmering problems exist for like 16 months).
Well, im not sure the R600 late when not arriving in Q1 because all dx10 game delayed (looks like now the first one coming early Q2), most users playing at 1280x1024 they can buy a fast DX9 ATi card. (i just noticed the x1950xtx price just droped 20% here in europe, 80-90 euro cheaper than the 8800GTS, this can mean 2 thing, first: something coming soon, second: r600 delayed and now ATi only with cheaper prices can battle with the 8800 series.
The bad thing for AMD now, when R600 delayed this means mainstream/performance cards coming later too, i think NV coming out with the g80 refresh in late Q1 or early Q2 (maybe when R600 delayed they not coming out in this timeframe with the refresh), and with the mainstream/performance cards in the same timerange, so AMD have no dx10 cards for this timeframe.
Latest numbers http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20061229150853.html show enthusiast market only 4% (250$-700$), if AMD have problems with the R600 why not relesing the mainstream/performance cards first? i know enthusiast market is good for PR, but 150$-249$ segment is 75%, i know no dx10 coming soon but the x1950pro will be not enough vs the G80 mainstream part because x1950pro lack of DX10 support, NV overhype PR is very good.
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Reguarding lateness - the area that really was a shame for for ATI was the 'performance' section i.e the X1950 Pro SKU. It was so late that it allowed uptake of all thoughs cheap G71 variants (7900 GS/GT/GTO). The new Steam survey results really show this missed market uptake as reality.
Then theres the mid/low range where it becomes even more miserable for ATI. Due to the lackluster X1600XT part, nVIDIAs 6800GS then the 7600GT simply roamed around uncontested for awhile. (Until the R560 showed up which was simply R570 with parts of it disabled!?!?)
ATi brings out some of the finest high end graphic cards. But when it comes to mid/low range they simply are lackluster in performance. (6600GT and X700/X600 comes into mind)
By the time R600 is released, say around April/March wouldnt nVIDIA's low/mid range lineup almost be ready for a hardlaunch? By that time it would be 5~6 months passed from G80 launch.
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