Stern the new anti-Limbaugh?

Fred said:
I like Howard Stern, on occassion (not for long). When he grills strippers it can be funny sometimes.

I also loathe the FCC censorship.

I too listen to Stern (well, untill recently), but I think the FCC has a point. Hear me out. The FCC is in charge of regulation and licensing of the broadcast spectrum in this country - as such it [the broadcast spectrum] must be considered an almost de facto public entity. It's "owned" or has it's right to use held by the citizens of this country; just as with all public institutions. The right to citizenship and the rights intrinsic inholding said contract aren't limited by age, nor are they limited by maturity level or any other form of discrimination. So, it can be dedeuced from this that public content should be usable by all, bearing in mind the fact that everyone in this country has an inherient right to that public proporty.

This is analogous to the situation wrt Television in this country. The Broadcast channels are free, their caried over what is public holdings. They also have standards - which is why The Howard Stern Show isn't on ABC, or NBC, nor CBS.

Yet, it most certainly is on E! Entertainment - which is a private entity which must be purchased by an applicable individual and allows for parential/gaurdian concent to said material by way of a fee and papertrail.

Looking back to Radio, if we agree the TV paradigm is correct in that Stern's ass needs to stay off of broadcast TV and stay on Cable, then the same standards should apply to him with broadcast radio - where his ass should be banned and migrate to a privatized/fee-based system such as XFM where there are levels of abstraction and control over what a citizen sees or hears.

Lets be honest here, Stern and his Wheel of Yucko and talk of assbanging and dildo's and lesbian incest have much more in common with, say, XFM's Playboy station than brodcast radio's NRP programming.

Agreed. Also, the FCC are bringing up stuff from 2001, case in point would be the Mancow show based in Chicago where they played an edited joke song about Bill Clinton. Bleeps and all, but he's still get fined for it. This admininstration has totally gutted a lot of constitutional rights (along with Patriot Acts I & II).

Working in Chicago, I have the distinct "privaledge" of beaing able to listen to both Stern and Mueller. First off, Mancow has done some crazy shit in his time and, frankly, deserved it. If I heard correctly, the large fine was for a bit about dildo/finger-banging and Freak's niece (?!? - I think she was on at that time) and the later, follow-on song, "Smell my finger". :LOL:

I met the guy at a concert once and from small talk, we seemed like a strait-up guy - but lets not confuse this with his public persona which is anything but.

Also, it's OT; but about the Patriot Act, thats alot of Politic and BS frankly. California's Diane Feinstein inquired about the concerns to the ACLU and they reported back that there wasn't a single case of abuse thus far.

Besides, I think you really don't care about what you talked about in this contrived monologue about "Civil Rights." Frankly, I think you're full of shit. Where have you been since the 1980s when the FBI has been doing the same against the Italian-American community under the RICO statutes? Why haven't I seen you post about these incursions of civil right (which are so much worse than the Patriot Acts) before this became a liberal talking point if you truely cared so much? Or are Italian-American's not as worty a cause as, say, Muslim-Americans or other *possible* groups. I guess it's OK to basically suspend the Constitution (like trying someone for crimes which were committed 10-15 years ago; tried for *association* to a group/construct - not an individual's actions; ability to be tried with groups and accused of their crimes regardless of personal connnection or guilt; electronic tapping and evesdropping; suspension of double-jeapordy; I can go on...) when you're fighting off a bunch of guys who want to make money off the weak that give in to the 7 deadly sins; but don't you dare touch my rights when you want to protect the country from terrorists who want to cause mass murder. :rolleyes:

Where have you been while they take away all American's rights to fight a few people who the media has created a fictional persona for and populatized for their own benefit? Where's the outrage?
 
vince, have you heard that the fcc and some in congress are trying to pass legislation to give the fcc power over cable networks too.

later,
epic
 
epicstruggle said:
vince, have you heard that the fcc and some in congress are trying to pass legislation to give the fcc power over cable networks too.

Some in the legislature will try to pass anything and everything. Some tried to ban the evil gays (asshole conservatives) and others (dumb liberals) tried to ban the evil dihydrogen monoxide killing the enviroment. Of course there's a push to get more regulation, but it hasn't occured so far and I don't see the point of discussing it instead of focusing on what's happening now. Moving the issue from the facts of today to the conjecture of tomorrow is wrong.
 
Vince said:
epicstruggle said:
vince, have you heard that the fcc and some in congress are trying to pass legislation to give the fcc power over cable networks too.

Some in the legislature will try to pass anything and everything. Some tried to ban the evil gays (asshole conservatives) and others (dumb liberals) tried to ban the evil dihydrogen monoxide killing the enviroment. Of course there's a push to get more regulation, but it hasn't occured so far and I don't see the point of discussing it instead of focusing on what's happening now. Moving the issue from the facts of today to the conjecture of tomorrow is wrong.
Your right, but Im concerned that the janet jackson issue has given enough of a push for legislation to finally pass.

later,
epic
 
epicstruggle said:
Hmm that interesting, I dont think we have been freer to do what we like since the dawn of govermnent. What I think confuses people is the distinction between your rights and your priviliges. ;)

later,
epic

well freedom is a relative thing, in many ways America was freer before we had all the laws that restrict various things like we have today. in other ways, many other countries are freer than America. on the other hand, we have had new laws that grant more freedom and other countries restrict things we don't, so as i said it is relative.

however, when i said we are headed towards fascism, i was was speaking in the classical definition as given by the man who coined the term; "the merger of state and corporate power." clearly the dumbing down of politics by the media which Fred pointed out, along with the power of corporate special interest groups, is pushing our government in this direction.
 
kyleb said:
well freedom is a relative thing, in many ways America was freer before we had all the laws that restrict various things like we have today.
What kinda things are you restricted from doing today??
in other ways, many other countries are freer than America.
This is actually hard to swallow, care to give examples of countries that are freer than this one.
on the other hand, we have had new laws that grant more freedom and other countries restrict things we don't, so as i said it is relative.
Very true.
however, when i said we are headed towards fascism, i was was speaking in the classical definition as given by the man who coined the term; "the merger of state and corporate power." clearly the dumbing down of politics by the media which Fred pointed out,
See i have a problem with this, because your assuming that the public was more informed in past years. I think anyone would agree that people today can get access to any viewpoint possible, thanks to the internet. So maybe a few media outlets are not to your liking, well just go and find what you like on the net. Plenty of things out there.
along with the power of corporate special interest groups, is pushing our government in this direction.
When have corporate and special interest groups not had a lock on political power. I would argue that corporations decades ago had more power/influence on politicians, when everything was done in smoke filled rooms, whereas today at least you have some sense of openness. There are exceptions, but they are not the norm today.

later,
epic
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epicstruggle said:
I would argue that corporations decades ago had more power/influence on politicians, when everything was done in smoke filled rooms, whereas today at least you have some sense of openness. There are exceptions, but they are not the norm today.

Like Cheney's Energy Task Force?
 
Vince said:
Besides, I think you really don't care about what you talked about in this contrived monologue about "Civil Rights." Frankly, I think you're full of shit. Where have you been since the 1980s when the FBI has been doing the same against the Italian-American community under the RICO statutes? Why haven't I seen you post about these incursions of civil right (which are so much worse than the Patriot Acts) before this became a liberal talking point if you truely cared so much? Or are Italian-American's not as worty a cause as, say, Muslim-Americans or other *possible* groups. I guess it's OK to basically suspend the Constitution (like trying someone for crimes which were committed 10-15 years ago; tried for *association* to a group/construct - not an individual's actions; ability to be tried with groups and accused of their crimes regardless of personal connnection or guilt; electronic tapping and evesdropping; suspension of double-jeapordy; I can go on...) when you're fighting off a bunch of guys who want to make money off the weak that give in to the 7 deadly sins; but don't you dare touch my rights when you want to protect the country from terrorists who want to cause mass murder. :rolleyes:

Where have you been while they take away all American's rights to fight a few people who the media has created a fictional persona for and populatized for their own benefit? Where's the outrage?

Did I miss something here? That last 2 paragraphs seem to come out of left field. What did I say, that sparked this attack? Was this directed towards me or everyone?
 
epic, as for more freedom on other countries; one example is the fact that you can walk down the street with a beer in your hand just about anyplace in Europe, but you can't do that most places here in America. as for when coperations had less power, this was the case back before we had such large coperations in country.
 
ya i was talking about before that, and while we tore that down long ago it is building back up again today.
 
kyleb said:
ya i was talking about before that, and while we tore that down long ago it is building back up again today.
So its a circle. Power of corporations rise and fall. Since last times rise did not lead to facism this time will be no different. :)

later,
epic
 
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