Starfield to use FSR2 only, exclude DLSS2/3 and XeSS: concerns and implications *spawn*
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DavidGraham
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It doesn't require any of this, there are dozens of DLSS enabled games where they don't even mention NVIDIA's name. The latest of which is Immortals of Aveum and The Last of Us Part 1. Jedi Survivor implemented DLSS3 no less without even mentioning NVIDIA.
arandomguy
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I guess Cyberpunk 2077 is being used in AMD's marketing for FSR3 while also being used in Nvidia's marketing or existing RTX features and the upcoming DLSS 3.5 and presumably has some sort of sponsorship agreement with Nvidia. That's just one example. These deals aren't all identical.
It might not be either. These deals are not likely in perpetuity, as I would think the rights to that would be rather high. It's worth noting AMD's bundle promo with Starfield runs to end of September only. Also Starfield is now available via Geforce Now for both Steam and Gamepass.
What would be interesting is if anyone who has Jedi Surivor maybe check if Nvidia/RTX is mentioned anywhere in game splash screens, title screens, or credits now.
arandomguy
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As I said it's on the standard licensing terms. However it's also stated that prospective parties can contact Nvidia if these terms do not work for them and I would suspect negotiable.
yah, looks like it's in the marketing section.
That's the link to the end user license agreement
I'm sure the requirements can be negotiated, for both Nvidia and AMD, as there are certainly titles that contain these technologies that don't have any slash screens or any mention whatsoever of them. A recent example is Diablo 4 which has DLSS but pays no mention to Nvidia anywhere, other than the "NVIDIA DLSS" option in the settings.
Honestly there's probably no value in enforcing the splash screen. If DLSS is an option in the game, and it's labelled as DLSS in the options, then Nvidia is probably happy.
DavidGraham
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As if this can't get any funnier, Assassin's Creed Mirage will only support XeSS at launch as the game is partnered with Intel.
wccftech.com
Assassin’s Creed Mirage PC Requirements Revealed - NVIDIA DLSS, AMD FSR, Intel XeSS All Supported
[UPDATED] The official blog post has been changed to say that all main upscalers (NVIDIA DLSS, AMD FSR, and Intel XeSS) are actually supported in Assassin's Creed Mirage's PC version. [ORIGINAL STORY] Assassin’s Creed Mirage arrives in just a few weeks, and the PC features and requirements for...
wccftech.com
As if this can't get any funnier, Assassin's Creed Mirage will only support XeSS at launch as the game is partnered with Intel.
Assassin’s Creed Mirage PC Requirements Revealed - NVIDIA DLSS, AMD FSR, Intel XeSS All Supported
[UPDATED] The official blog post has been changed to say that all main upscalers (NVIDIA DLSS, AMD FSR, and Intel XeSS) are actually supported in Assassin's Creed Mirage's PC version. [ORIGINAL STORY] Assassin’s Creed Mirage arrives in just a few weeks, and the PC features and requirements for...
But wait... this has absolutely nothing to do with a marketing deal, they probably just wanted to focus on one upscaling technique and thought supporting all 3 would be too much work... That's how this works isn't it? /s
Also, note how without the AMD marketing deal the engine now seems to perform better on Nvidia GPU's vs Valhalla according to those specs.
As if this can't get any funnier, Assassin's Creed Mirage will only support XeSS at launch as the game is partnered with Intel.
Assassin’s Creed Mirage PC Requirements Revealed - NVIDIA DLSS, AMD FSR, Intel XeSS All Supported
[UPDATED] The official blog post has been changed to say that all main upscalers (NVIDIA DLSS, AMD FSR, and Intel XeSS) are actually supported in Assassin's Creed Mirage's PC version. [ORIGINAL STORY] Assassin’s Creed Mirage arrives in just a few weeks, and the PC features and requirements for...
Are you genuinely judging AMD versus Nvidia performance based on a requirements sheet? Come on now. Surely we dont need to reiterate for the millionth time that these aren't ever accurate?
Hence the "according to those specs" line at the end. If it bares out in testing then it's definitely noteworthy, whereas if it performs like Valhalla, the specs aren't just off, they're totally backwards (suggesting an out of ordinary Nvidia advantage when in fact the game would sport an out of ordinary AMD advantage). A very silly mistake to make if so.
It's not about a mistake. These are never thoroughly tested specs. They are almost always ballpark guesses. And there's often even blatant 'that doesn't make sense' sorts of things you can spot in them, especially when it comes to like CPU's and whatnot.
Either way, it's not Valhalla. Even if it did perform better on Nvidia relatively this time around, that's no reason to go jumping to conspiracies. It could simply be the way it happens to run. All games are gonna be different.
A ballpark guess would match a 3080 against 6800XT, not a 6900XT. And in a game that performs the same as the previous game why would they need to randomly guess?
Valhalla spec'd the 5700XT against a 2080 Super. Here they are putting it against a 2070.
That's not what the Ubisoft article says though.
From the article:
The wording "features like..." leaves room for the possibility of features other than those listed in the sentence, no?
Maybe they are just mentioning features from sponsors but are actually implementing other features too.
Maybe you dont grasp the meaning of 'ballpark'? I mean they aren't really putting any huge effort or thought into this. They just throw out some roughly similar sort of specs. Reading into it like you're doing is utterly insane given how the historical accuracy of such spec requirements are basically at 0%.
I think you dont understand that game developers aren't the type to obsess over GPU reviews and benchmarks like many of us hardware enthusiasts do. They will usually have a looser understanding of where things stand relative to each other than we do.
Stop putting so much stock into such things. It's crazy how PC gamers never seem to have learned this.
Let's revisit this when the benchmarks are out. If the game still favours AMD like Valhalla in contradiction to these requirements then I'll happily concede your point.
You didn't actually read my post then.
Valhallas specs indicated AMD would have a disproportionate performance advantage over Nvidia... and it did.
Mirages specs indicate that Nvidia will have a disproportionate performance advantage over AMD, which I argue would be interesting given the AMD sponsorship of the former that doesn't carry over to the latter.
You have said we should ignore the specs because they don't mean anything. That wasn't the case with Valhalla but perhaps it will be with Mirage, in which case my point it moot. So as I suggested, let's wait for the benchmarks to see which is the case.
AC Mirage XeSS exclusivity was fake news btw. Ubisoft has updated DLSS and FSR to the article.
news.ubisoft.com
Not sure why VideoCardz, Wccftech and others jumped to conclusions when the article never implied XeSS would be the only upscaler.
Assassin’s Creed Mirage PC Specs and Features Revealed
Learn more about the best settings for your hardware when Basim’s adventure launches on October 5.
news.ubisoft.com
Not sure why VideoCardz, Wccftech and others jumped to conclusions when the article never implied XeSS would be the only upscaler.