Shane Warne has retired
- Thread starter K.I.L.E.R
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well mulari will do it within the year, hes also a much better bowler as well eg his average 21.xx vs warnes 25.xx (though its not just the figures if u watch both bowlers in action u can plainly see mulari is seperior)
defintly macgrath is the best fast bowler ever
i do will miss warnes off field antics, hopefully he wont get to many more wickets in the ashes ive got a bet on s clark for most wickets by an australian
The_Wolf_Who_Cried_Boy
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Shane is on 699 right now I think. Suppose (though is it almost impossible) he doesn't get any wickets in remaining tests....he will get stuck at 699 (like Bradman did at 99.96).
No chance. He's got two more Ashes tests against England, I'd lay money on him getting at least another half-dozen wickets!
damm that was a shocker, so now two old veterans (Damien Martin) has retired from the game and soon more will be announced, so the Australia dominant in world cricket will soon be over, i think the Pom are happy about this
Well I'm not. I'd rather England were the best by beating the best, not by having them retire.
Yes, he'll get 10-15 wickets in remaining 2 tests but suppose (hypothetically) he gets stranded at 699...that would be.
The_Wolf_Who_Cried_Boy
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The fifth test is at the SCG which spinners take to well, there's no way he'll go wicketless.
Yeah but Warne bowls, rather than throws
perhaps u forget the major study a couple of years ago, to sumerise they also found warne throws instead of bowls as well
im not anti warne he + botham + murali + viv are my favourite alltime cricketers
but warne is very overrated
(hes not even the best spin bowler in oz, check out the figures when macgill + warne have played in the same tests, i believe from the 15 tests together, macgill has better figures in 13, warne in only 2, no wonder warne hates playing with macgill! )
The_Wolf_Who_Cried_Boy
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ball of the century i guess
well even bad golfers have gotten hole in ones
im not saying warne is a bad bowler, hes much better than average but hes certainly not the best as some ppl make him out to be
want some facts why warne is overrated, check out the list of best bowling averages hes not even in the top50, or i suspect the top100.
how come hes the leading wicket taker of all time i hear u ask?
simple no bowler alive or dead has played more tests than warne
i believe macgrath said 'hes gonna leave a bigger hole in the oz team than me', which is untrue macgrath is prolly the best pace bowler ever, bit of an asshole but.
well even bad golfers have gotten hole in ones
im not saying warne is a bad bowler, hes much better than average but hes certainly not the best as some ppl make him out to be
want some facts why warne is overrated, check out the list of best bowling averages hes not even in the top50, or i suspect the top100.
how come hes the leading wicket taker of all time i hear u ask?
simple no bowler alive or dead has played more tests than warne
i believe macgrath said 'hes gonna leave a bigger hole in the oz team than me', which is untrue macgrath is prolly the best pace bowler ever, bit of an asshole but.
I don't agree, I think that Warne had the ability to turn a match (maybe as much through his sledging and the balls he bowled with were nearly wickets but not quite) which was quite outstanding. He may not have been consistent, but he was unpredictable and in many situations that's a much more dangerous characteristic.
Looking simply at statistics tells you very little, especially economy rates. Warne upsets batsmen in a way which is quite unique in recent history I think. Of his 700 wickets, how many were taken in crucial situations, and of all the thousands of runs he's given away, how many were given in non-crucial situations?
im kinda agreed on your analysis here since Warne when he does not take wicket he put pressure on the other end and thus created opportunities for the other bowler at the other end to take wickets. Additionally Warne has a variety of delivery for a leg spinners.
all top bowlers do that eg macgrath or murali (best bowler in history according to wisden btw)
personally i dont trust mine or ppls memories cause they tend to be tainted (eg i do a bit of sports gambling + i often meet ppl who talk about winning heaps, though the reality is they lose heaps also, its just selected memory) statistics are far more reliable than ppls memories, esp with a lot of data
i remember
a quote of warnes implied against murali me - so shane, which country has been the best in the world for the last decade
shane - australia by a mile + im proud
me - so shane, how many times have u bowled against australia? + yet u talk about others having a easy run
shane - this interview is over, give me that camera (smash)
The_Wolf_Who_Cried_Boy
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For the record I don't really care who the best bowler ever is, the fact that it can be debated at all suggests to me there is no definitive answer. I think however that a] Murali does have a questionable action, and b]has had a disproportionate number of matches against lesser teams on the sub continent on wickets which are very spin friendly. In that context I have reservations about procaliming him superior to Warne, regardless of who ends up with more wickets.
The_Wolf_Who_Cried_Boy
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You beat it to me....:smile:
http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/ausveng/engine/current/match/249225.html
See, I told you so!
http://content-ind.cricinfo.com/ausveng/engine/current/match/249225.html
See, I told you so!