Regarding what Factor 5 is doing next...

[Qroach]

Well it seems Matt C from IGN was getting attacked for his articles regarding SK and Factor 5. Well he decided to reply back to those that were being nasty to him, and he provided a little info regarding Factor 5's future as well.

Hey guys,

There is a difference between breaking a news story and reactionary reporting. I broke the Nintendo/Silicon Knights split story. I was the first person to get wind of it and to call Denis on it. He confirmed it for me, I called Nintendo and got an official statement, and the story went up.

No offense to GameSpot -- it's a great site -- but this was not a Nintendo news release and I guarantee you that if I did not write the story first you would not hear about it until E3. What you saw on GameSpot and every other site out there was a follow-up story to news that I broke. It wasn't a matter of me posting a press release before someone else. It was a matter of me breaking the news. Exactly the same can be said of the Factor 5 story.

It's a lot easier to call up a developer/publisher after the fact for a few additional quotes than it is to break the news to begin with.

I'm sorry if you didn't like my angle, but my slants are based on personal insight I have into the development futures of each company. I'm not trying to create false hope for you.

Cheers.

Matt
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And just now:

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"Maybe Matt should focus more on reporting things CORRECTLY rather then trying to get the news out first."

My stories are correct. Perhaps you should read them before you make stupid comments.

I've been following Factor 5 a long time and am a big fan of the company. If you think its next game is a Nintendo one, you're in for a huge disappointment. You can believe whatever you like, but my story is the most accurate one out there and that is the whole truth.

Matt

Well hopefully Matt's last comment will settle any thoughts on exactly what he meant.

 

[Farid]

If you think its next game is a Nintendo one, you're in for a huge disappointment. You can believe whatever you like, but my story is the most accurate one out there and that is the whole truth.

Matt

So PsP or something else? anyone have a clue?
Everybody is talking about the thornado project being port to Psp, is this the only project by factor 5 for the moment?

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[Megadrive1988]

I'd say Factor 5's next game will be for Xbox, PSP, or Xbox 2.

then PilotWings on N5

 

[Qroach]

Possibly... we won't know for a while, but we do know we shouldn't expet them to only be on the next nintendo system.

 

[Farid]

I'd say Factor 5's next game will be for Xbox, PSP, or Xbox 2.

then PilotWings on N5

gameinformer's E3 rumors stated that a pilotwings Gc will be presented at E3 and will be playable.

Nintendo will have first party GameCube titles playable that will include Metroid Prime 2, Pilotwings, Star Fox 2, Geist, as well as some new title from Silicon Knights that will not be Too Human.

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Sure the second part about a SK games makes the whole stuff, less credible.(And the fact that it's a gameinformers rumors makes it even less credible by the way)
Maybe there's a last SK games coming to GC, or maybe it's a cross-platform game.

 

[Qroach]

Game informaer is a horribly biased/poor written magazine, so I wouldn't trust anything they say, specifically rumors.

 

[cthellis42]

Won't settle anything, as the expectation of PSP support was already there in the initial release. Their "next game" can easily be a PSP one, and then their games afterward for next generation's consoles could be right back to Nintendo... Who knows? 'sall speculation.

Heck, their first released "next game" could be on the PSP, and then another one released shortly thereafter for the DS, and then... <shrugs> They could also be building a game for the PSP, and a major console title aimed for the Xbox2 first (expected to launch soonest) and yet brought to PS3 and N5 as well when they launch. Horrors!

There's little "settling any thoughts" here--just a bit more curving of expectations. Since most major developers seem excited by the movement from the portable sector, this isn't a major shock, either. This part: "Possibly... we won't know for a while, but we do know we shouldn't expet them to only be on the next nintendo system." ...is just looking more likely.

 

[marconelly!]

I expect a PSP game, then games for the home next gen platforms
Julian's supportive quotes have been presented on Sony's PSP and Microsoft's XNA presentation on GDC.

More quotes from IGN's Peer, that hint to that:

Actually, the only reason to follow up on the story would be to give you false hope. The news stands -- no more F5 GameCube titles and the company is working on other platforms. F5 is an XNA developer and is interested in the PSP. We can't say much more than that, but know that if there was a way to put a positive slant on the story and remain honest, Matt would have done it.

If you are more interested in a damage control quote that says "we still love Nintendo blablabla and don't rule out we'll do more titles blablabla" (which was no doubt spawned by angry calls from NOA AFTER Matt ran his story) than the truth, then that's your problem.

Unless Nintendo just sent a big check to the F5 offices, the developer's next game will not be a on Nintendo platform. The once close relationship with Nintendo is severely shaken and it's not just a matter of "moving on from the current console generation."

Peer
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Heh. Nobody said Factor 5 wasn't ever going to develop for a Nintendo platform again. Don't read stuff into the story that wasn't there.

That said, don't read too much into the GS story either -- don't kid yourself into thinking the next Factor 5 game will be on a Nintendo platform.

Peer
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Reader:
>The possibility of the their next game being on GCNext are very high, IMO.

Peer:
Well, since you're so in tune with the development community, we'll be sure to let you write the next news story about Factor 5.

Seriously, I don't think "bad news reporting" is a complaint you should leverage against Matt. Don't shoot the messenger just because you don't like the news.

Reader:
>Peer's comment just seem like damage control, because they are being accused of not investigating the matter in a thorough manner.

Peer:
The only damage control is Julian's comment in the Gamespot article.

Again, don't get your hopes up in thinking the next game from the studio will be on a Nintendo platform. There is a reason Matt wrote the story, and it's not to piss you guys off.

Peer

 

[Paul]

Game informaer is a horribly biased/poor written magazine, so I wouldn't trust anything they say, specifically rumors.

Well you shouldn't trust rumours to begin with, they are just that, made up stuff that is *usually* baseless.

Though I find your GI bash weird, I find them to be a great magazine.

 

[Blade]

Essentially the word is that Factor 5 is definitely working on XB2/PSP, and possibly N5/PS3.

Thanks for posting this heads up, Q.

 

[cybamerc]

I'd say Factor 5's next game will be for Xbox, PSP, or Xbox 2.

then PilotWings on N5

Factor 5 is absolutely not working on Xbox. Xbox 2 is a possibility but I think the next game will be for PSP.

BTW, interesting to see Quincy suddenly caring about F5.

 

[Qroach]

I posted in the other Factor 5 topic. Who said I'm suddenly taking an interest in factor 5? I took an interest in teh argument, not factor 5. It's funny to see how fans like yourself have suddenly started saying factor 5 asn't all that good all of a sudden, afert some people aorund here seemed to think the games they made are the best looking and incredible fun.

I just posted something that should end that stupid argument you basically started with everyone in the thread over what they are doing, that's all.

Factor 5 is absolutely not working on Xbox.

once again, you really don't know what they are doing, since you're so intent on telling everyone to keep their speculation to themselves, how about YOU take your own advice from the last thread, and "keep it to yourself"?

 

[GHost]

I think Cybamerc has a point here - it's the word of IGN against the word of F5. They're not working on current generation of hardware (including xbox), period. That said it really looks like IGN DID give a negative spin of the story, namely by the choice of their wording - "other platforms" does sound like xbox and ps2 to me and most of the Cube owners on other boards out there - the main audience of cube.ign.com.

 

[Qroach]

Hold on a second, show me where it say's "next-gen platforms"? Even if it did say that, there's no doubt they wouldn't do that anyway, so what's the big deal?

The're nothing wrong with IGN's article at all. As they ONLY developed for gamecube until now, saying they are no longer supporting gamecube is 100% correct. IGN only said they were developing for "other platforms", they never came out and said it was xbox, PS2, or anything like that.

"Other platforms" could have specifically meant PSP, XBox 2 PS3, or the DS. The negative spin you and cybermerc apparently saw was created in your own heads from what I can tell. How can a negeative spin be the fault of ign when you're taking one word and using the worse possible case for it? At least the worse possible case in your eyes, eh?

This jus tseems like Fan damage control if you ask me.This and all teh stuff the fans are saying about Silicon knights. Both those companies were pumped up to be awesome developers when they were gamecube only, but now that they aren't suddenly they weren't all that good. The exact same things those fans said about Rare.

 

[Qroach]

"We are extremely excited about XNA, both as a middleware provider and as
a game developer. Tools are the only chance for future success in this
industry, and never has this been more true than now. As we move into next-
generation development, the expectations of gamers and the abilities of
hardware open almost limitless possibilities for content creators. Without the
right tools, developers will not be able to keep up with the pace -- XNA is
what the industry needs right now."
-- Julian Eggebrecht
President
Factor 5 LLC

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/s...Y=/www/story/03-24-2004/0002133861&EDATE=

Hmmm interesting. Sounds like the closest we have for a confirmation of what "other platforms" includes. BTW, IGN already knows what platforms they are developing for, they just can't say what they are yet.

 

[GHost]

Oh sorry, I thought you know about it already - it's the GameSpot follow up discussed in the IGN boards quote above...

Factor 5 to forgo GameCube development

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According to Eggebrecht, the only reason Factor 5 has stopped making GameCube games was that they've abandoned current-generation hardware altogether. "It is simply because we have moved into next-generation development," he said.

As for which future console Factor 5 was creating games for, Eggebrecht was unspecific, saying only, "There might be a surprise [announcement] coming from us."

Looks like that's the source of the PSP/xbox2/Pilotwings on N5 rumours.

 

[Bohdy]

Other platforms could have specifically meant PSP. Ther negative spin you and cybermerc apparently saw was created in your own heads from what I can tell. How can a negeative spin be the fault of ign when you're taking one word and using the worse possible case for it? eh?

Give me a break. How about you try and put yourself in the context of most Nintendo fans at the moment the news was revealed. You know, right after the Silicon Knights business.

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Exactly. Most people were going to take IGN's phrasing in the worst possible way and they obviously would have known that.

IGN-Cube have been somewhat bitter about Nintendo's direction for a while now, but their latest stunts have been seriously crossing the line of professional news reporting. As these "atacks" against Matt demonstrate some people have finally noticed this.

They haven't been an invalueable provider of information for quite a while but now they seem to be actively detrimental!

 

[cybamerc]

Qroach

> Who said I'm suddenly taking an interest in factor 5?

Well, you're the one who posted this aren't you?

> It's funny to see how fans like yourself have suddenly started saying
> factor 5 asn't all that good all of a sudden

I've said no such thing. Nor have I seen anyone else do so. There are a lot of Xbots that are suddenly very excited about F5 but that's about it.

> once again, you really don't know what they are doing

I know they're not working on Xbox. I've known that since last year when Julian denied it.

 

[Fox5]

"We are extremely excited about XNA, both as a middleware provider and as
a game developer. Tools are the only chance for future success in this
industry, and never has this been more true than now. As we move into next-
generation development, the expectations of gamers and the abilities of
hardware open almost limitless possibilities for content creators. Without the
right tools, developers will not be able to keep up with the pace -- XNA is
what the industry needs right now."
-- Julian Eggebrecht
President
Factor 5 LLC

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/s...Y=/www/story/03-24-2004/0002133861&EDATE=

Hmmm interesting. Sounds like the closest we have for a confirmation of what "other platforms" includes. BTW, IGN already knows what platforms they are developing for, they just can't say what they are yet.

Wierd, and Factor 5 has always been one to try and push the systems their game is on. Then again, back when gamecube came out, they said they were probably among the most qualified to program for ps2, but why bother when they can get the same results out of gamecube much easier?

 

[GHost]

About XNA... I'm going off-topic here, but I'd wait and see what Sony and Nintendo have to offer. The choice of IBM of Eclipse, mentioned by Vince on other threads, would give MS a run for their money. Eclipse beats the crap out of Visual Studio already, as a usable and stable IDE, and it's lack of proper C++ support is what keeps it behind in the game development world... which wasn't it's focus in the first place - until now...