Radeon 9700 or wait?
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alexsok said:
I'm shocked! No, really.
Just joking with 'ya. 8)
And, guys, please just state whether you're going to buy or what. Let's not turn this into another NV vs. ATi flame war.
OpenGL guy
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If you always waited for the next great thing, you would never buy a video card. How many months are you willing to wait if you want something better than what you have now?alexsok said:
P.S. IMO, everyone should have Radeon 9700's in their stocking at Christmas
For me, NV30 is the next great thing and I've got plenty of reasons for saying that.
I currently own a gf4ti4600 and my next upgrade will be NV30 (although definetly not immediately when the cards start shipping, but when the price drops).
There is nowhere to hurry, DX9 games are far far away and my current card satisfies me with it's AA & Aniso perfomance at my favourite resolutions, so I can't complain.
Don't get me wrong, R300 is an awesome card!
yes as my 8500 nor my GF4 ti4200 can run the games I play with all of the IQ settings maxed with out me giving into to quality quirks. What I mean is that for the 8500 high res AA is not an option and there are some trade offs with its AF. For the GF4 its AA method is sub par (yes I still play old games that use Alphas and seeing those jaggies is an eye sore) and some cases its AF is too slow. Today I have to make comprimises. The R9700 will run everying I have today at virtually max everything. But I will wait till the price falls a bit closer to $300.00.
I'll wait. I just did a budget upgrade (Athlon 2000+, good mb, Ti4200 (clocked it past Ti4400), so buying a card that cost a small fortune here in Norway is out of the question Eiter way, I usually wait for the "scaled down, still fast version" of cards (Like GF3 Ti200, and Ti4200).
Eiter way, I usually wait for the "scaled down, still fast version" of cards (Like GF3 Ti200, and Ti4200).Joe DeFuria
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I voted for "buy 9700 now", but that's too simplistic an explanation.
In the coming couple months, I'll be building a new system, and "donating" my current system to my wife so she can have a machine to herself. Having just moved into a new house though, there are other priorities to get done first.
Having said that, based on 9700 performance and price, If the NV30 is not available at that time, I will buy a 9700. I will not delay putting the new system together to wait for the NV30. I will also not buy any card that is lower performing than the 9700.
And having said THAT....if the NV30 is available and it turns out to be a significantly better performer, I would certainly consider it depending on the actual performance and price differences.
In the coming couple months, I'll be building a new system, and "donating" my current system to my wife so she can have a machine to herself. Having just moved into a new house though, there are other priorities to get done first.
Having said that, based on 9700 performance and price, If the NV30 is not available at that time, I will buy a 9700. I will not delay putting the new system together to wait for the NV30. I will also not buy any card that is lower performing than the 9700.
And having said THAT....if the NV30 is available and it turns out to be a significantly better performer, I would certainly consider it depending on the actual performance and price differences.
Ascended Saiyan
Newcomer
I've had my system for over 2 years now consisting of an old 700 Mhz Slot A Athlon & Just waiting for the first Barton to appear this Q3-Q4.
Which ever videocard performs the best & without any first hand issues then,will get my money.Unless there is something more that maybe coming from 3dlabs,I just may reconsider & hold on to my V5 a while longer.
Which ever videocard performs the best & without any first hand issues then,will get my money.Unless there is something more that maybe coming from 3dlabs,I just may reconsider & hold on to my V5 a while longer.
I didn't vote...
I didn't vote, because I'll buy neither.
I have GeForce2 MX now. Bought that more than 2 years ago.
And I will buy a new card when someone gives me a reason to.
Reasons could be A) continue programming D3D/OpenGL, learning practically what all that is about and B) some exciting computer game with *really* good graphics (nebst other things). (and potentially C. if a certain 3D graphics package will support rendering/realtime preview materials using vertex/pixel shaders, but that's some years off, I think)
However, I don't have time for A) whatsoever at the moment, and B), well...
It's been discussed in another thread a few weeks ago. Someone said (hope it wasn't myself ), and I agree with it, that today's games don't look much better than a certain four year old game that had been in development for several years before its release: Unreal. Doom3 may have better lighting, but I'm no fan of ID Software games, either. The game I'll probably buy in the remaining months of this year is Age of Mythology, but will that require a card better than the pile-of-s*** MX I have?
And finally, I'm more of a casual gamer these days, so I'll patiently wait how hardware/software makers and hardcore gamers will attempt to work out this hen-egg (edit: meaning the "software drives hardware drives software" phenomenon. But does software (especially games) really drive hardware today anymore?) problem themselves
Chris
I didn't vote, because I'll buy neither.
I have GeForce2 MX now. Bought that more than 2 years ago.
And I will buy a new card when someone gives me a reason to.
Reasons could be A) continue programming D3D/OpenGL, learning practically what all that is about and B) some exciting computer game with *really* good graphics (nebst other things). (and potentially C. if a certain 3D graphics package will support rendering/realtime preview materials using vertex/pixel shaders, but that's some years off, I think)
However, I don't have time for A) whatsoever at the moment, and B), well...
It's been discussed in another thread a few weeks ago. Someone said (hope it wasn't myself
), and I agree with it, that today's games don't look much better than a certain four year old game that had been in development for several years before its release: Unreal. Doom3 may have better lighting, but I'm no fan of ID Software games, either. The game I'll probably buy in the remaining months of this year is Age of Mythology, but will that require a card better than the pile-of-s*** MX I have?And finally, I'm more of a casual gamer these days, so I'll patiently wait how hardware/software makers and hardcore gamers will attempt to work out this hen-egg (edit: meaning the "software drives hardware drives software" phenomenon. But does software (especially games) really drive hardware today anymore?) problem themselves
Chris
I think it's kinda redicolous to speculate about the NV30 at this time. It's too far away to make any significant impact on the decisions of an unbiased buyer looking for a card today. It's no coincident that leaks of details around the NV30 starts to appear just after the release of the R9700. To even take these into consideration when making a decision about a possible purchase would be foolish IMO. The NV30 details really aren't presented to serve our interests ... it's just a tactical move of their part and a thinking customer would do best in ignoring it.
With that said, I don't doubt the NV30 will be a great card.
With that said, I don't doubt the NV30 will be a great card.
I have a rule that I do not buy the first model of a videocard that has "revolutionary tech" inside it. Instead, I will always buy the improved and faster version of it. My current card is a NV25 (I had a GF2 GTS before it) so I'm probably gonna buy a NV35 next...
But after all, who knows for sure what will happen in the industry?
But after all, who knows for sure what will happen in the industry?
Joe DeFuria said:I voted for "buy 9700 now", but that's too simplistic an explanation.
In the coming couple months, I'll be building a new system, and "donating" my current system to my wife so she can have a machine to herself. Having just moved into a new house though, there are other priorities to get done first.
Having said that, based on 9700 performance and price, If the NV30 is not available at that time, I will buy a 9700. I will not delay putting the new system together to wait for the NV30. I will also not buy any card that is lower performing than the 9700.
And having said THAT....if the NV30 is available and it turns out to be a significantly better performer, I would certainly consider it depending on the actual performance and price differences.
Ditto for me as well. No wonder me Joe became friends.
BTW, thanks man. I don't have the time or the energy to post a detailed message stating my opinions. LOL
Tommy McClain
Johnny Rotten
Regular
If I was in the market for a major overhaul right now (and money wasnt an issue) it'd be the 9700.
Sure the NV30 is likely going to be a great part. It'll probably even be somewhat faster. But there isnt going to be anything there (imo) that warrants waiting for another 4 months if you're needing an upgrade right now.
If ATI and nvidia stay on staggered schedules there wont be much of a point in 'waiting' for the 'next card'.
Sure the NV30 is likely going to be a great part. It'll probably even be somewhat faster. But there isnt going to be anything there (imo) that warrants waiting for another 4 months if you're needing an upgrade right now.
If ATI and nvidia stay on staggered schedules there wont be much of a point in 'waiting' for the 'next card'.
Kinda weird poll IMHO since the choice should be obvious:
1) You have the money and need a card now = You'll buy the R9700.
2) You have the money but don't really need your new card right now = you will wait for the NV30 [paper] launch and see if it makes any sense to wait for a preview with benchmarks (probably November).
3) You have the money but don't really need a new card = easy one.
4) You don't have the money but really need a new card ASAP = get of this forum ASAP and make some money (you lazy bugger)!
NV30 may not warrent a delay in buying your new card because 1) R9700 is really fast enough in the games today, 2) The NV30 might not be [much] faster in the games today, 3) You might not be lucky enough to get one in December if things goes wrong for nVidia and finally 4) We don't know how either perform in DX9 and Doom III.
(So I didn't vote BTW)
1) You have the money and need a card now = You'll buy the R9700.
2) You have the money but don't really need your new card right now = you will wait for the NV30 [paper] launch and see if it makes any sense to wait for a preview with benchmarks (probably November).
3) You have the money but don't really need a new card = easy one.
4) You don't have the money but really need a new card ASAP = get of this forum ASAP and make some money (you lazy bugger)!
NV30 may not warrent a delay in buying your new card because 1) R9700 is really fast enough in the games today, 2) The NV30 might not be [much] faster in the games today, 3) You might not be lucky enough to get one in December if things goes wrong for nVidia and finally 4) We don't know how either perform in DX9 and Doom III.
(So I didn't vote BTW)
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