Problem then though is that it completely wipes out what is often touted as one of the biggest console advantages. i.e. Couch, TV, 5.1 sound etc...
Nevermind that al that is possible with a PC aswell mind you!
PC to Console Gamer?
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Problem then though is that it completely wipes out what is often touted as one of the biggest console advantages. i.e. Couch, TV, 5.1 sound etc...
Nevermind that al that is possible with a PC aswell mind you!
I answered the couch part. At any rate it still pisses me off that I don't have the option to use the proven & intended setup for FPS games on the console.
By the way. About your couch theory, I suppose you haven't seen the Frag-FX for the PS3? That pretty much ruins the couch bull as well. It can be done.
Links.
http://www.splitfish.com/
http://gear.ign.com/articles/799/799262p1.html
http://www.tomsgames.com/us/2007/04/09/mouse_control_for_the_console/
http://kotaku.com/gaming/splitfish/splitfishs-freakish-fragfx-controller-245782.php
I know its not a KB, but at least the mouse is there. I could adjust to this much faster then the controller.
By the way. About your couch theory, I suppose you haven't seen the Frag-FX for the PS3? That pretty much ruins the couch bull as well. It can be done.
Links.
http://www.splitfish.com/
http://gear.ign.com/articles/799/799262p1.html
http://www.tomsgames.com/us/2007/04/09/mouse_control_for_the_console/
http://kotaku.com/gaming/splitfish/splitfishs-freakish-fragfx-controller-245782.php
I know its not a KB, but at least the mouse is there. I could adjust to this much faster then the controller.
Not that it applies to your friend, but some people do have repetitive use injuries, notably to the thumbs, which make gamepads for fine motor stuff essentially unusable.
@ D3v0ur3r: The fragFX looks great!
Gotta love this gen: The HD generation, Personalize & Customize your experience to play the way YOU want to play. Fighting sticks, Flight sticks, Force Feedback Wheels, Guitars, Drums, Light Guns, Buzzers, Motion Sensative Controllers, Microphones, Headsets, Video Cameras--you name it, we will sell it to you so you can play the way you want to play!*
* Unless you want a KB/MS for gaming, then screw you! HD gaming and Super Computer my arse!
I started getting really, really ticked off at my PC when I had to fool around endlessly with an off-brand Geforce 4 MX to get games like Neverwinter Nights to even run. People have different experiences, but with drivers, hard drive management (I hate having to uninstall a game, and I'm a game packrat...I currently have around 100 console games), patches, and Windows bullcrap, and having irregular Internet access, PC gaming just became too much of a headache. Bought a Gamecube and never really looked back. Hardly any PC games come out anymore that I really wish I was playing, not since EA bought all the developers I care about. Consoles appeal to me because of portability, library, and simplicity. A console is a box that just works.
I still use my 5-year-old PC as basically an Internet box, and it's fantastic for that. I recently went shopping around for a new PC and decided I don't really need one right now. Maybe some day.
I still use my 5-year-old PC as basically an Internet box, and it's fantastic for that. I recently went shopping around for a new PC and decided I don't really need one right now. Maybe some day.
Yes 5.1 sound or better is easy to setup on a PC and considering old HQ soundcards support 7.1 since many years ago that could be used asweel.
One more thing about the "Couch" & consoles. Looks to me like the Wii broke the hell out of that mold. Most commercials I see about the Wii I see people up pretending as if they are bowling, playing tennis, boxing, & golf. Hard to do that with your butt in the couch & the game relies on body movement with the controller.
The Frag-FX looks like a perfect idea to me for consoles if its such a sin to have a keyboard.
The Frag-FX looks like a perfect idea to me for consoles if its such a sin to have a keyboard.
I too have switched over to be primly console only. I still will keep the PC around for high end games and mod work. I too sucked at FPS but after a few games I finally got the hang of it. And like others said after working all day on a PC, its nice to sit on the couch with a drink and enjoy the games!
I think there are a few more pluses to the social side with console games (much easier to talk trash while your and your buddy go head to head in madden). Plus with rental services being so cheap its hard not to sign up to a gamefly or gamesnflix and prevent you from always having to shell out 60 bucks to play a game (or buying a used game can take the sting out of high priced games)
I think there are a few more pluses to the social side with console games (much easier to talk trash while your and your buddy go head to head in madden). Plus with rental services being so cheap its hard not to sign up to a gamefly or gamesnflix and prevent you from always having to shell out 60 bucks to play a game (or buying a used game can take the sting out of high priced games)
Your experience varies wildly from my own. It seems there's always some issue with every new game for me, whether is drivers(directx, ogl, sound, video), or patches its a rare occasion that opening the box to playing the game on pc for me is a fast and seamless experience.
Most pc games you have to put the damn disc in the drive to play anyway or do you wait for the CD hacks before you play any games?, so can we throw out that BS? Finding the right channel? I have to push input once (although I suppose if I put my console on input 5 I'd have to push it up to 4 times) this would be like complaining that you have to double click on pc to launch a game vs the much quicker single click on a mac... Most games are at the launch screen on console by the time I get comfortable and ready to play. If pc games load quicker (which isn't always the case) its fairly insignificant to me.
He got this one right here (Pro) from that place right there.
Ah, but "choice" hasn't always been the hallmark of console gaming, now has it?
Same for consoles but atleast in most cases you can skip the intro videos and dev/publisher videos on PC games!
No click becouse... did you know that I have voice recognizion on my PC, when I say STALKER it actually launches the game? -how bout that!
And my experience is that I hardly ever got problems with any game, actually only SP: DA. I have several year drivers for MB, soundcard and GPU yet play al lgames fine.
But I know that programs that emulate or debuggers (game related) used for pirated games tend to mess up software...
Same for consoles but atleast in most cases you can skip the intro videos and dev/publisher videos on PC games!
The whole 10 seconds of them or whatever?
No click becouse... did you know that I have voice recognizion on my PC, when I say STALKER it actually launches the game? -how bout that!
/twirl
One thing I've come to really like about consoles, which some people loathe, is the fact that the whole entire game is stored on the media. There's no hard disk install time, which can be excruciatingly long for some PC games, such as the aforementioned NWN. If the fancy strikes me to play something in my library I haven't touched in a while (which is not infrequent), I just pop in the disc and go. If it's something old, I just pop in the cartridge and go...no fooling around with DOSbox or anything. And keeping an SNES and N64 under my TV is a lot more space saving than having an old 486 lying around!
It sounds to me like a re-build or an upgrade might be in order. Its always been my experience across all my PC's that a well maintained system with relatively modern components is pretty much hassle free.
Most games get no DVD cracks within a few weeks of release and many don't require the DVD at all these days. So its not BS, out of about the last 10 games I have bought and played, only 1 had no fix when I started it (Serious Sam 2) and it was available by the time I was half way through. One of my next big games will be Bioshock. The fix for that is already available despite it being fairly new.
I'm not saying its difficult. I'm saying its a step thats unecessary with the PC. As I said, my PC's always on so its siply a case of clicking the correct game in the start menu and thats it - nothing else. So changing the TV channel isn't a hassle, my point was to demonstrate that starting a PC game can involve even less effort.
Launch screen or in game? Generally console games do take a little longer. It may only amount to 30 seconds difference over a whole playing session so no big deal. But when its more waiting every single time you play then spending 30 mins setting up the game the very first time you play doesn't look so bad to me. Not if you will be playing that game many more times.
I agree with the sentiment but not the reasoning. Certainly it would be nice if I could just throw one of my many older games into my PC and play without having to install first. However...
Most (in fact all) of my old games that are no longer installed on this PC are from the last gen of consoles. To get the same level of useability if I was on consoles rather than PC may require me to have 2 consoles setup. So given that, its a better solution for me to just install when and if I play. Obviously if there is an old game i'm likely to play I would have it installed anyway.
Also, in order to get a back catalog going as far back as DOS using consoles, your talking at least 4 seperate machines setup vs a single PC. Nevermind the fact that that PC using emulators can emulate those consoles and many more from a single box. And of course most people already have a PC setup for other tasks. Its not like you need your main PC AND a 486 to play old PC games.
It is nice to have one box for everything, makes it easier instead of relying on old hardware/hard to find hardware for playing old PC/console games. People should try Vmware or Virtual PC and setup a Dos vm or Win95 vm and play all those old games smooth and problem free. No messing with resolutions or other stuff.
I myself use a WinXP vm with DosBOX and ScummVM to play old games and Bleem! to play PSX games, works perfect.
I do use it for other crap and lurking, it is just a mather of reloading the vm image when I break it, 1 min operation!
That's kind of the problem. Even if the system has open support for keyboards and mice (as the PS3 does), getting it in the games needs the appropriate support for each and every developer with each and every game.
I rather assume keyboard support in general is already everywhere just for the heck of it, but it's really the mouse control for games that's key. Few have put it in, most are still extremely paranoid about balance issues that can arise from it, and above and beyond that, even games like UT3 are not letting the PS3 and PC networks cross-play, which is one of the OTHER benefits that should really arise from supporting kb/m.
Nothing stated for CoD4 or other major titles, so far as I know, which is frustrating. If "open support" has almost no difference from "no support" in the end with the games themselves, then...
So we're back to spending $2000 every 2 years for playing games? I think I'll pass and use the money on a new recliner.
Sorry, you're just making up excuses for pc now. The effort of putting the disk in teh drive is minimal for me compared to the effort hunting down and finding patches ad nausium.
My whole initial comment was about time. From opening box to playing game on console is much easier and it always will be. You can attempt to downplay the issues on PC as much as you like, but they exist and they always will.
Feel free to do some tests and post your results of console vs PC load times if you want to make a case out of it. I don't doubt you're trying to compare shut down console to already running PC. I've already said the load time on console isn't an issue for me, but if I wanted to speed up load times I could just leave it run, right?
