OMG! Iraq slamming the UN!

I dont care what political mouthpieces have to say. Plenty of criticism by ordinary iraqis is had all around in various interviews and they dont spare the US, France or any other western nation anymore than saddam in their verbal outlays.

Are you labelling the Iraqi mouth... spokesman an American puppet? Why, the American government never has stooped to such an obvious political play. You really must believe in conspiracy theories?!

We say we care about human right then we only apply it to one nation. This war was never about human rights.

Indeed. Though you must give the Western media credit in inflating Hussein's body count. Still, though, he's about 400,000 behind our current leader, the Rwandan leader Jean Kambanda with over 900,000 *confirmed* kills in less than three years. I took Hussein at least 20 to reach 400,000. Number 3, after Hussein, and a possible challenge to both so far looks to be the Bhurmese military, though no one can confirm as they are unable to scour Bhurma for mass graves as of yet.

Though, it is nice that the first two never escaped trial, which begs the question about the other major genocidal brute of the last 25-years, Suharto. Is he still alive?

The point here is the West talks the talk of civil rights, but time and history shows we going give a flying f*ck about them. Well, maybe we do, as long as the victims are white as we see happening with white 'farmers' in Zimbabwe. When the Rhodesian government was rounding up blacks into concentration camps (they called them 'protected villages'), no one lifted a finger at these obvious civil-rights abuses because the abusers were a) white, and b) the victims were not. But when the tables turned, and then whites fell victim to the result of history of largely their own making, they came crying. They were too selfabsorbed to see exactly what their government was doing, though that's not exactly unexpected, then they suddenly found themselves in hostile territory.
 
Willmeister said:
I dont care what political mouthpieces have to say. Plenty of criticism by ordinary iraqis is had all around in various interviews and they dont spare the US, France or any other western nation anymore than saddam in their verbal outlays.

Are you labelling the Iraqi mouth... spokesman an American puppet? Why, the American government never has stooped to such an obvious political play. You really must believe in conspiracy theories?!

We say we care about human right then we only apply it to one nation. This war was never about human rights.

Indeed. Though you must give the Western media credit in inflating Hussein's body count. Still, though, he's about 400,000 behind our current leader, the Rwandan leader Jean Kambanda with over 900,000 *confirmed* kills in less than three years. I took Hussein at least 20 to reach 400,000. Number 3, after Hussein, and a possible challenge to both so far looks to be the Bhurmese military, though no one can confirm as they are unable to scour Bhurma for mass graves as of yet.

Though, it is nice that the first two never escaped trial, which begs the question about the other major genocidal brute of the last 25-years, Suharto. Is he still alive?

The point here is the West talks the talk of civil rights, but time and history shows we going give a flying f*ck about them. Well, maybe we do, as long as the victims are white as we see happening with white 'farmers' in Zimbabwe. When the Rhodesian government was rounding up blacks into concentration camps (they called them 'protected villages'), no one lifted a finger at these obvious civil-rights abuses because the abusers were a) white, and b) the victims were not. But when the tables turned, and then whites fell victim to the result of history of largely their own making, they came crying. They were too selfabsorbed to see exactly what their government was doing, though that's not exactly unexpected, then they suddenly found themselves in hostile territory.

Indeed. Another more recent example of this kind of double standard / hollow lip-service to human rights is the Bush administration’s multi-million dollar injection into the security apparatus of the appalling Karimov regime in Uzbekistan in the name support with the war on terror (the US military gained a lauching point into Afghanistan). Sure, there are plenty of examples of leftist apologists out there, but you’ve just got to laugh at the ignorance of people who think the current unilateralist Straussians driving policy in the US are some kind of benevolent philanthropic revolutionaries interested in bringing peace and democracy to the world.
 
Wolfmage said:
Indeed. Another more recent example of this kind of double standard / hollow lip-service to human rights is the Bush administration?s multi-million dollar injection into the security apparatus of the appalling Karimov regime in Uzbekistan in the name support with the war on terror (the US military gained a lauching point into Afghanistan). Sure, there are plenty of examples of leftist apologists out there, but you?ve just got to laugh at the ignorance of people who think the current unilateralist Straussians driving policy in the US are some kind of benevolent philanthropic revolutionaries interested in bringing peace and democracy to the world.


This goes to the debate in this country on should we be the world's police force. I don't believe most want us to be but from what I see it looks like we have little choice. But isn't this what the UN is for? I expect that the USA will once again step up and start filling this "policemen of the world" position.

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

That is the UN's "Universal Declaration of Human Right". Too bad the UN ain't worth a shit. Atleast the USA is doing something.
 
The UN doesnt have an army byteme. It also doesnt have any rights to raise income to make one. It has no functional independance form its member states. And if you want to know why its so severly limited in its ability to do anything whether materially or legally ask your own government.
 
pax said:
The UN doesnt have an army byteme. It also doesnt have any rights to raise income to make one. It has no functional independance form its member states. And if you want to know why its so severly limited in its ability to do anything whether materially or legally ask your own government.


If I was religious I'd say thank GOD!
 
'Thank god' but you keep blaming the UN for not doing anything... You cut off your butlers 2 arms then you blame him for not serving you...

Do you even know what you want anymore?
 
pax said:
'Thank god' but you keep blaming the UN for not doing anything... You cut off your butlers 2 arms then you blame him for not serving you...

Do you even know what you want anymore?

The UN is not structured right to give it any power. It served its' purpose.
And when I say not structured right I don't mean the USA does not have enough power. The UN needs to evolve into something different.

Don't ask me what. Just what it is now worth almost zero.
 
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