Geforce FX tech briefs have been up for a while...
http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=channel_techbriefs
http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=channel_techbriefs
NV30=GeforceFX? Guess we'll find out on Monday..
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kid_crisis
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There didn't seem to be any new info in the two tech briefs that I saw there (before they took them down). They were under the heading of GeforceFX though, on the Nvidia site. Guess that finalizes the name...... GeForceFX. Yechhhh
could they have come up with a dumber name? hmmm so now we are going to have GeForceFX 2 MX 840? or maybe they'll call the MX's that come out with the NV35 GeForce5 MX 840? but 5 > 2 so people will think the MX is worlds better? almost as brilliant as calling a RV250 a Radeon 9000, a R200 a Radeon 8500, a R100VE 7100 (?), a R200LE Radeon 8500LE, a R300 Radeon 9500 - 9700 Pro, changing the name of a R200 to Radeon 9100. all that instead of leaving the original "Radeon256" and going to Radeon 2 (or somehow call it 3 to keep up with nVidia), and then Radeon 3. Or what about RadeonEFX? heres another idea how about the new MX's be GeForceMFX of GeForceFMX? FMX... BMX. that might go well with the biker kids. or how about just calling them all F*CKING NV(xx)'s that way everyone could go "oh, 20 > 17, but 25 is even > 20, hey look at those 30's" but no, that would be almost as stupid as ATi. changing the names of old products just to meet a new naming convention and the breaking it with the next generation? yeah.....
Geez! Not GeforceFX! What an nFiniteFXly stupid name!
It doesn't flow at all. Geforce wasn't a good name to begin with and tagging on a FX doesn't exactly improve it either. Even spacing it out to Geforce FX will undoubtedly bring confusion with the MX series like some have pointed out. Also, what will the next chip (NV35) be called? We've already had a Geforce 2, so will it be a Geforce FX2 then? More confusion.
Stupid, bad name.
Geforce 5 FX? Still stupid, bad name. And WHY OH WHY is NVDVD so buggy even in the latest 2.20 version? But that's OT in this thread (and this forum also, lol).
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It doesn't flow at all. Geforce wasn't a good name to begin with and tagging on a FX doesn't exactly improve it either. Even spacing it out to Geforce FX will undoubtedly bring confusion with the MX series like some have pointed out. Also, what will the next chip (NV35) be called? We've already had a Geforce 2, so will it be a Geforce FX2 then? More confusion.
Stupid, bad name.
Geforce 5 FX? Still stupid, bad name. And WHY OH WHY is NVDVD so buggy even in the latest 2.20 version? But that's OT in this thread (and this forum also, lol).
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emotionstation
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Nvidia and ATi have both been doing this confusing name-game ever since the Riva cards (Riva 128, TNT, TNT2, TNT2 Ultra) and since the Radeon was ever conceived (Radeon, Radeon 8500, Radeon 8500LE *Slower than the 8500..Heh*, 9000 (which is a DX8 card, not 9), 9500, 9700, 9700 Pro).
The Geforce 4 Ti4800SE is a joke. They should have named it the Geforce 4 Ti4300 or something.
I think both Nvidia and ATi needed to move to another 'brand name' for their DX9 cards. Though keeping a brand name has its positive effects, people get bored of hearing the same old/same old every 6 months.
Dave, thanks for activating my username. I'm sure there are quite a few others who haven't received email confirmations either
The Geforce 4 Ti4800SE is a joke. They should have named it the Geforce 4 Ti4300 or something.
I think both Nvidia and ATi needed to move to another 'brand name' for their DX9 cards. Though keeping a brand name has its positive effects, people get bored of hearing the same old/same old every 6 months.
Dave, thanks for activating my username. I'm sure there are quite a few others who haven't received email confirmations either
Now lets just read the quote once more:
Note it says "a graphics card", not "Gaming enthusiasts will be able to buy the top of the line Nvidia card with a GeForce FX chip for about $360". I am guessing this refers to the more mainstream part (Ti4200/4400 equivalent), rather than the Ti4600 equivalent.
But its all guesses.
LW.
The brand recognition of Geforce was just too much for Nvidia to let go. This is unfortunate, because this (NV30 launch) was the most appropriate time to introduce a new brandname. Now they will have to stick with Geforce untill at least a new architecture launch.
BTW, GefroceFX is not that horrible, but Geforce FX2? Or Geforce FX3 TI 4500? If they wanted to stick with GF name, they could of at least called it Geforce 6000 or something.
BTW, GefroceFX is not that horrible, but Geforce FX2? Or Geforce FX3 TI 4500? If they wanted to stick with GF name, they could of at least called it Geforce 6000 or something.
megadrive0088
Regular
should have called NV30 the CineForce or CineForceFX or CineFX VPU
The GeForceFX name isn't THAT horrible, but we WILL be stuck with this name with everything in the NV3X line - NV30, NV31, NV35, NV38....
geeez. GeForceFX2, GeForceFX2 Ultra, GeForceFX-MX, GeForceFX-Go, NForceFX.
The GeForceFX name isn't THAT horrible, but we WILL be stuck with this name with everything in the NV3X line - NV30, NV31, NV35, NV38....
geeez. GeForceFX2, GeForceFX2 Ultra, GeForceFX-MX, GeForceFX-Go, NForceFX.
megadrive0088
Regular
sorry if this has been posted already.
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=4057
plus this:
http://www.nvnews.net
"I just received word that NVIDIA has just updated their "Are You
Ready" website to include a new movie showing an interview with Tim
Sweeney. At the time this was written, the link was present but not
yet functional. The movie can be found by clicking the "n" symbol in
the lower-right portion of the screen and by using "cinefx" as a guest
password. Thanks to Michael for the information!"
more Nvidia movies. couldn't get the Sweeney interview to run though, I guess it was taken down.
http://www.nvidia.com/content/areyouready/index.html
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=4057
plus this:
http://www.nvnews.net
"I just received word that NVIDIA has just updated their "Are You
Ready" website to include a new movie showing an interview with Tim
Sweeney. At the time this was written, the link was present but not
yet functional. The movie can be found by clicking the "n" symbol in
the lower-right portion of the screen and by using "cinefx" as a guest
password. Thanks to Michael for the information!"
more Nvidia movies. couldn't get the Sweeney interview to run though, I guess it was taken down.
http://www.nvidia.com/content/areyouready/index.html
well, i already went off an a tyrade about this nFinitely STUPID name, and the whole Radeiculous situation with names in general, so ill try not to do it again, but i feel it comming....
ok, lets talk about the MX situation. what are they going to use for an MX? for the NV25/NV28 they used the NV17/NV18 chips as MX's, but for the NV30 what are they going to do? NV22/NV23? wtf is that? would they really consider making a chip that would put a BIG halt to the adoption of DX9? with a mainstream card only supporting DX8 then why would developers be moving to DX9 so fast? well, i did hear (a LOOONG time ago) that nVidia was going to go DX9 top to bottom next year (2003). so then that would be NV31? but.... isnt that ABOVE NV30? well NV34 being the MX of NV35 would sence. i'll bet they'll use a 128-bit mem bus at least til the DX10 MX's come out. how about colour depth? ok it would make sence to git rid of floating point colour, and maybe even cut it down to 32-bit. it is, after all, and MX. pixel pipelines? well we only need 4, right. maybe 2 TMU's for the NV35's MX. i imagine 128MB of DDR1 is mandatory, but definitely nothing more. how about a NV31m? with a low core clock and .13u, it should be quite possible assuming 32-bit Int colour and 4 pixel pipes.
but what about names? GeForceFX MX? GeForceFX MX 2? or drop the FX and go with GeForce 5 MX? GeForce 6 MX? but 5 > (assumed) 1, and 6 > 2. FX, MX, its all the same right? so that would mean the cheaper GeForce 5 MX is better than the GeForceFX? so how about just dropping the MX convention all together. then we would be seeing GeForceFX 5200 and GeForceFX 5800. well its still a GeForceFX, right? if they do that, they had better damned not use a NV2x chip. I suppose if the NV31 (NV30MX) is similar to the above specs (still a CineFX architecture) then it would be totally reasonable to use that naming convention.
but what the hell is with ATi? 9700 Pro = faster 9700. ok. 9500 Pro = slower 9700 with 128-bit mem bus. ok. but 9500 = 1/2 the pixel pipes of a Pro? well then should the 9700 blow chunks too? the simple lack of the word "Pro" does NOT indicate how much this card SUCKS. the 9500 should be called 9000. but no, 9000 is reserved for a SLOWER version of the LAST generation (which, by the way, is 500 LESS than their top-of-the-line version of that generation). oh well, in a ew months they will change the name of ALL their Radeons to meet a new naming convention. of course then we'll have to learn new names for the 7000, 7200, 7500, 8500, 8500LE, 9000, 9500, 9500 Pro, 9700, and 9700 Pro.... oh wait, look what poped up on pricewatch- 9000 Pro! add that to the list. 275MHz DDRwith 13.2GB/s? must be a 256-bit bus. lets see, to keep all 4 of its 32-bit TMU's fed, it needs a 128-bit bus running at the same speed as the core (non-DDR), doubble it to account for effeciency/framebuffer/AA/etc and make sure those TMUs never get one cycle off, but they still give it 2 times (assuming core is 275MHz) that? thats a hell of a lot of geometry information they seem to think their little vertex processor can handle. well they might be making sure their N-Patches, FSAA, and AF get no performance hit due to lack of mem bandwidth. but dont you think the money it takes to add a 265-bit bus to a budget card would be better spent adding 4 TMUs? yeah, then we would just have a good ol' 8500. maybe up the core and mem speed due to cheaper RAM and more mature process. that would make a nice little budget card that could give the Ti4200 a whooping, and maybe even make the Ti4400 quiver in its riser. but no, that would be the smart thing to do.
ok, lets talk about the MX situation. what are they going to use for an MX? for the NV25/NV28 they used the NV17/NV18 chips as MX's, but for the NV30 what are they going to do? NV22/NV23? wtf is that? would they really consider making a chip that would put a BIG halt to the adoption of DX9? with a mainstream card only supporting DX8 then why would developers be moving to DX9 so fast? well, i did hear (a LOOONG time ago) that nVidia was going to go DX9 top to bottom next year (2003). so then that would be NV31? but.... isnt that ABOVE NV30? well NV34 being the MX of NV35 would sence. i'll bet they'll use a 128-bit mem bus at least til the DX10 MX's come out. how about colour depth? ok it would make sence to git rid of floating point colour, and maybe even cut it down to 32-bit. it is, after all, and MX. pixel pipelines? well we only need 4, right. maybe 2 TMU's for the NV35's MX. i imagine 128MB of DDR1 is mandatory, but definitely nothing more. how about a NV31m? with a low core clock and .13u, it should be quite possible assuming 32-bit Int colour and 4 pixel pipes.
but what about names? GeForceFX MX? GeForceFX MX 2? or drop the FX and go with GeForce 5 MX? GeForce 6 MX? but 5 > (assumed) 1, and 6 > 2. FX, MX, its all the same right? so that would mean the cheaper GeForce 5 MX is better than the GeForceFX? so how about just dropping the MX convention all together. then we would be seeing GeForceFX 5200 and GeForceFX 5800. well its still a GeForceFX, right? if they do that, they had better damned not use a NV2x chip. I suppose if the NV31 (NV30MX) is similar to the above specs (still a CineFX architecture) then it would be totally reasonable to use that naming convention.
but what the hell is with ATi? 9700 Pro = faster 9700. ok. 9500 Pro = slower 9700 with 128-bit mem bus. ok. but 9500 = 1/2 the pixel pipes of a Pro? well then should the 9700 blow chunks too? the simple lack of the word "Pro" does NOT indicate how much this card SUCKS. the 9500 should be called 9000. but no, 9000 is reserved for a SLOWER version of the LAST generation (which, by the way, is 500 LESS than their top-of-the-line version of that generation). oh well, in a ew months they will change the name of ALL their Radeons to meet a new naming convention. of course then we'll have to learn new names for the 7000, 7200, 7500, 8500, 8500LE, 9000, 9500, 9500 Pro, 9700, and 9700 Pro.... oh wait, look what poped up on pricewatch- 9000 Pro! add that to the list. 275MHz DDRwith 13.2GB/s? must be a 256-bit bus. lets see, to keep all 4 of its 32-bit TMU's fed, it needs a 128-bit bus running at the same speed as the core (non-DDR), doubble it to account for effeciency/framebuffer/AA/etc and make sure those TMUs never get one cycle off, but they still give it 2 times (assuming core is 275MHz) that? thats a hell of a lot of geometry information they seem to think their little vertex processor can handle. well they might be making sure their N-Patches, FSAA, and AF get no performance hit due to lack of mem bandwidth. but dont you think the money it takes to add a 265-bit bus to a budget card would be better spent adding 4 TMUs? yeah, then we would just have a good ol' 8500. maybe up the core and mem speed due to cheaper RAM and more mature process. that would make a nice little budget card that could give the Ti4200 a whooping, and maybe even make the Ti4400 quiver in its riser. but no, that would be the smart thing to do.
sage , ati should have just made a 9700 mx which is basicly a radeon 64meg vivo .. ? what it works for nvidia and thier mx's . I think everyone should just stop the name crap , neither company does a good job with naming things... just make sure your friends don't get ripped off and deal with it