No more videogame rentals in Belgium

Silent

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Yesterday (to my suprise) I've learned that from July 2008, it is no longer possible in Belgium to rent video games. The Belgian Entertainment Association (BEA) and its members has taken the decision not to grant permission anymore to let videostores rent out their games.

The reason I heared from a shopkeeper is that the BEA argues that renting games kills a part of their sales. Which is funny because the sales of videogames is booming in Belgium (trippled 2006 -> 2007) so it's not that their are problems.

Are their other European countries where you can't rent videogames anymore ?
 
Without sparking the used-games debate, I am not against the rental market when said market operates on the same level as the movie rental market, which is to say some form of "profit sharing" between the retailers and pub/dev.

Does a pub/dev pay your salary?
 
I haven't been looking actively for it, but I don't think there is even any rental places in Sweden and Finland. As for the pubs/devs wanting a share of the profit when renting games I think is only fare, why not...
 
I think game rentals on full price new releases games is just wrong. It's practically piracy with regard to the harm it does to the industry.

And as someone who only buys games, it bothers me when someone rents a newly release game instead of paying full price for it. Just like it bothers me when people pirate games. I pay for games because I know that If people like me did not exist, this industry would not be able to make the games I want to play.

Publishers should be able to protect their property by restricting rental releases of their games. at least until a certain embargo date is passed. Just like films releases in cinemas will not become avaiable for rental until several months later. Newly released games should only be playable by us who pay the cost of entry. It's just not fair to us otherwise.
 
I think game rentals on full price new releases games is just wrong. It's practically piracy with regard to the harm it does to the industry.

And as someone who only buys games, it bothers me when someone rents a newly release game instead of paying full price for it. Just like it bothers me when people pirate games. I pay for games because I know that If people like me did not exist, this industry would not be able to make the games I want to play.

Publishers should be able to protect their property by restricting rental releases of their games. at least until a certain embargo date is passed. Just like films releases in cinemas will not become avaiable for rental until several months later. Newly released games should only be playable by us who pay the cost of entry. It's just not fair to us otherwise.

I'm gonna take the opposite stance here:

Game rentals are a necessity so long as companies fail to produce free downloadable demos for every game sold.

Reasons:

1. There's no other avenue for gamers to try and see if they like the game - unlike movies, which are FAR cheaper for the end-user comparatively, which are a limited experience - games are expensive and time consuming

2. Point in fact, developers (or marketing departments) routinely lie (call it hyperbole, stretching the truth, whatever) about features of their games. Without being able to really play and see these "features" - we'll never know what we're getting into. I mean, hell, if we were to go only on pre-release game shots and footage, it's damn near bait and switch tatics being used (speaking to "bullshots")

3. Games are unnecessarily expensive these days. This is totally our fault, when games jumped from 50 to 60 dollars, we kept paying it...but lets face it, we keep paying it - so they're just gonna get more expensive, so it's only fair that we have this system in place to insure that anyone can still have these experiences - This from someone who ONLY buys games by the way

How do game rentals "hurt" the game industry again? As I recall - rental outlets still pay full price for the game - it still counts as a sale (and shitloads more than is probably true, as my local Blockbuster will carry 20 copies of something compared to the 1 I might have purchased)
I get that there's certainly more revenue going to the rental outlets (as these games get paid for quickly and as quickly, turn into little profit centers) - but the developer still SOLD a game!

I'm willing to talk about a % of rental fee's allocated back to the company - but I'm certainly not going to advocate the game industry bending us over and forcing us to pay for stuff that we may not even like.

Jack
 
Without sparking the used-games debate, I am not against the rental market when said market operates on the same level as the movie rental market, which is to say some form of "profit sharing" between the retailers and pub/dev.

Oh, there's a particular thorn in my side. The used game business is just a complete scam...and they only ones getting rich on it are retailers. I've never understood how it's even legal - or why anyone (end user) even participates. Talk about total sodomy - "ok, so let me get this straight, I'm gonna sell you a game that I paid $60 for (3 days ago) - for $15, then you're gonna turn around and sell it for $54.99?" - Riiiiiiight

Jack
 
Oh, there's a particular thorn in my side. The used game business is just a complete scam...and they only ones getting rich on it are retailers. I've never understood how it's even legal - or why anyone (end user) even participates. Talk about total sodomy - "ok, so let me get this straight, I'm gonna sell you a game that I paid $60 for (3 days ago) - for $15, then you're gonna turn around and sell it for $54.99?" - Riiiiiiight

Because that's $15 more than you'll get for keeping it in a box under your desk. The returns on very recent games tend to be much better than that, and there's also ebay where typically you can get near new prices.
 
Because that's $15 more than you'll get for keeping it in a box under your desk. The returns on very recent games tend to be much better than that, and there's also ebay where typically you can get near new prices.

Ya, but I'm an old guy. I spent $15 a Starbucks this morning :p

And the ebay thing is a valid point, although the 90%Jackass/10%decent normal human bieng ratio online tends to make me steer clear of having ANY kind of interaction with anyone online where my money or time is involved!

:)

jack
 
Oh, there's a particular thorn in my side. The used game business is just a complete scam...and they only ones getting rich on it are retailers. I've never understood how it's even legal - or why anyone (end user) even participates. Talk about total sodomy - "ok, so let me get this straight, I'm gonna sell you a game that I paid $60 for (3 days ago) - for $15, then you're gonna turn around and sell it for $54.99?" - Riiiiiiight

Jack

While I share your plight, I must say that no one is making you sell/trade your games nor buy them in the first place, hence why logic like yours tends to trouble me. As for game rentals, I think they are completely allowable, however the game industry could take a stand like the movie industry and have a "end user agreement" that prohibits the said piece of software for "rentals or public appearences without expressed permission of the publisher." As for used game sales, it's different, we're talking about the transfer of ownership for the piece of software. Owning and renting/borrowing are two different things. As for the used game industry, yes it's massively profitable, but devs and publishers know they will miss out on the main heavy initial profits if they don't work with retailers like Gamestop. Almost reminds me of the Godfather or something. Either you work for the Don (Gamestop) and make alot of money while paying your dues, or you make very little at all.
 
Here's a question, though. Aren't rental copies of films far more expensive than the copies for home use? What's preventing game publishers from doing the same? Legislation? Lack of an FBI Warning (or whatever the EU equivalent is) screen?
 
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