MS unsure about Xbox?

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All you need to read here:
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2912498,00.html


Some interesting quotes:
Dean Lester, the head of Microsoft's Windows Graphics and Gaming division, to hear about the software giant's major new project to make the PC a better gaming platform. Lester acknowledged that two or three years of the company's attention was focused on launching the Xbox, but he said that now it's the PC's turn. The PC gaming initiative has support from "Bill and Ballmer" on down, and it's enough of a priority that there are some 200 people working on it. Basically, Microsoft will make improving the PC gaming experience one of the central appeals of Longhorn, the next major version of Windows that's expected in about two years

There are a couple of parts of the initiative that will require wide industry support: new system requirements for retail packages and a standard for PC controllers. The current methods for listing system requirements are confusing and don't necessarily represent what's actually needed for a game to perform well. The plan is to set up a numerical system that categorizes and groups system levels, and when this goes into effect in 2005 or so, a level-1 system might represent the current or year-old value-priced PC configurations, while level 2 and level 3 group systems that define the mainstream and high-end performance of the time. As PCs progress, new levels will be added. Lester admitted that there were some challenges ahead to get the necessarily industry support, but he also noted that Longhorn would require the sort of general rethinking of PC standards that's accompanied previous Windows generations.

Either MS wants to integrate that into Xbox2 too or they are feeling insecure about Xbox future and want another route out.

One thing we know is they have the power to fully standardize PC.
See, i am not a Xbot. :oops:
 
:rolleyes: chap, this article doesn't have much to do with xbox at all. MS is a PC company, so them focusing on improving thing in this area is natural. It doen't mean they are going ot abandon xbox or anything like that.
 
I dunno about them feeling insecure. When you look past all the hyperbole they don't have too great expectations to begin with. Besides, the Xbox is just a way of putting Windows in the livingroom. Since the PC is the main Windows platform it is obviously also what they should focus on.
 
Oh yeah! I forgot it is MS we are talking about. MS is rich enough to support 2 major projects. Ok, my mistake. It is not insecurity, but more like a 2 fronted attack on your homes. :oops:

They damn want to be in your everyone homes! :LOL:
 
Then again, i think MS should put more emphasis on Xbox2. Videogames are big business! Give me some hype! NV5A! R45X! Something!

Record Videogame Sales Seen Roaring Into Overdrive
Tue March 11, 2003 02:28 AM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - Global video game sales are projected to grow nearly 10 percent this year, extending a decade-long surge that has a lot of life left, analysts said in a report on Tuesday.
London-based market research firm ScreenDigest and trade association Entertainment and Leisure Software Publishers Association (ELSPA) released their annual forecast, predicting sales in 2003 would hit $18.5 billion, another record.

According to the report, the sale of video game and so-called "edutainment/reference" software would grow 9.5 percent in 2003 from $16.9 billion, suggesting that waging a virtual bombing raid or racing a stolen car through city streets now rivals trips to the cinema as a favorite entertainment pastime.

Despite the global economic malaise, the popularity of video games continues to soar, a stark contrast to the music industry, which is having increasing difficulties selling compact discs.

Major music labels are expected to suffer through a fourth straight year of declining CD sales, blamed in part on rampant piracy.

"The market for video games has not peaked yet," said Ben Keen, research director for London-based research firm ScreenDigest.

"It will probably peak this year in dollar value terms, reflecting pricing pressures that will kick in in the future. But in volume terms, it will continue to grow," he said.

In Europe, sales of video games and entertainment software are expected to top $6.3 billion this year, exceeding the $2.7 billion video game and DVD rental market, according to ScreenDigest.

The study also forecasts that 32 million new video game consoles will be sold in 2003. Last year, 30 million Sony 6758.T PlayStation 2, Microsoft MSFT.O Xbox and Nintendo 7974.T GameCubes were sold worldwide, the study said.

Since 1995, when the top-selling Sony PlayStation first hit the market, nearly three billion video game and leisure software units have been sold globally.
 
It's a big business but far from as big as the one M$ is dominating. Besides, it isn't really relevant how big it is if you spend more than you make.
 
Xbox is like 1++ year old. Give it time.

MS should be well prepare for Xbox2 hardware, no more 18mths slap together 3rd party components(i hope). :oops: At least they got XBL servers up and running. Good foundation for nextgen!

I know Sony has SoNET in Japan, so how good and far reaching it is?
 
A 3 tier system for PCs would be a great boon to the PC gaming industry. Right now, PC game developers are handicapped by the fact that so many people have underpowered system. The average videocard of an online gamer is a GeForce2MX, which means that offline gamers and non-gamers have even worse systems. For this reason, despite talk of DirectX9 and advanced shader effects, it always takes many years before any new effects wind up in games.

One major problem is that until now, non-computer savvy people have had no way of telling just how powerful their computer is. They get sold something that is "2.4 GHz" and that's about the extent of what they know. Some people don't even know how many GHZ their new computer is, they might just say "It's a $1500 Dell". For this reason, computer manufacturers have every incentive to sell underpowered systems to cut costs. You often see powerful CPUs (2.8 GHz P4s) paired with slow videocards (GeForce4MX440) or tiny memory (256 MB RAM). It's a horribly unoptimal configuration, but the majority of people who buy from the likes of Dell and Compaq only know "GHz", if that. Those who actually know something about computers are much more likely to buy from smaller companies (Alienware) or build their own computers.

I think it would be of great benefit to PC gaming and the PC industry as a whole if there was some impartial standard to measure PC performance. On the other hand, I wonder at just how much support this will recieve from the rest of the PC industry. Obviously, such a big performance-rating scheme can only proceed if everyone agrees to it. A single hardware maker could throw a monkey wrench into the whole process if they feel that it is not fair to them; just look at what nVidia did to 3dmark03. Of course, such a rating scheme would be an enormous windfall for the likes of nVidia and ATi. However, the computer manufacturers such as Dell, Gateway and Compaq, might be very leery of such a plan, especially if it makes them look particularly bad. (Judging by the computers I've bought from them, Compaq would look extremely bad)
 
This is all being done for the xbox 2 not the pc gamers. Look at it this way. The earliest this can come about is in 2 years. in 2 years what will be launching? If using the specs for the xbox and the current top of the line pcs you will see the two are basicly the same except for cpumhz diffrence. So if developers would start using this with say the r500 and a 4 ghtz cpu most likely that is very very close if not the same to what the xbox 2 would use. Oh look at that 50 or so cpu games that don't even need to be ported just put on a dvd and thrown into a jewl case and 50+ launch tittles for the new xbox
 
jvd said:
Oh look at that 50 or so cpu games that don't even need to be ported just put on a dvd and thrown into a jewl case and 50+ launch tittles for the new xbox


huh??? didnt get that one.... cpu-games?? :?
 
london-boy said:
jvd said:
Oh look at that 50 or so cpu games that don't even need to be ported just put on a dvd and thrown into a jewl case and 50+ launch tittles for the new xbox




huh??? didnt get that one.... cpu-games?? :?


My bad , new games ... Its early (12:30 pm) Shouldn't be up for another 2 hours and its spring break which means i shouldn't be up for another 4 or 5 hours ...
 
jvd said:
london-boy said:
jvd said:
Oh look at that 50 or so cpu games that don't even need to be ported just put on a dvd and thrown into a jewl case and 50+ launch tittles for the new xbox




huh??? didnt get that one.... cpu-games?? :?


My bad , new games ... Its early (12:30 pm) Shouldn't be up for another 2 hours and its spring break which means i shouldn't be up for another 4 or 5 hours ...



well i still don't get it.... havent slept in 48 hours here.... and how the hell did *NEW* become *CPU*... what a typo.... :LOL: :LOL:
 
The study also forecasts that 32 million new video game consoles will be sold in 2003. Last year, 30 million Sony 6758.T PlayStation 2, Microsoft MSFT.O Xbox and Nintendo 7974.T GameCubes were sold worldwide, the study said.

Since 1995, when the top-selling Sony PlayStation first hit the market, nearly three billion video game and leisure software units have been sold globally.

82M ps2's by next yr... at the actual pace(since two yrs are left.), the ps2 will reach a userbase of 140M units... if it increases in sales, VERY LIKELY since it will go to $99, it will surpass 150M+ units...

Impressive, and people think I joke when I say the ps3 will be in the 200-300M units range.
 
london-boy said:
jvd said:
london-boy said:
jvd said:
Oh look at that 50 or so cpu games that don't even need to be ported just put on a dvd and thrown into a jewl case and 50+ launch tittles for the new xbox




huh??? didnt get that one.... cpu-games?? :?


My bad , new games ... Its early (12:30 pm) Shouldn't be up for another 2 hours and its spring break which means i shouldn't be up for another 4 or 5 hours ...

Look you try typing something that makes sense after a night of partying and waking up next to two naked chicks senior year spring break my friend . What i was trying to say is that if this plan happens. THe new xbox will have games that don't need to be ported (if xbox2=top of the line computer) Mabye a fix or two so it runs of the dvd instead of the hardrive but that wont take mroe than a few days to fix. So basicly they could have a bunch of games right of the bat that they don't need to spend money on nor does the company that made them need to spend money on



well i still don't get it.... havent slept in 48 hours here.... and how the hell did *NEW* become *CPU*... what a typo.... :LOL: :LOL:
 
jvd said:
london-boy said:
jvd said:
london-boy said:
jvd said:
Oh look at that 50 or so cpu games that don't even need to be ported just put on a dvd and thrown into a jewl case and 50+ launch tittles for the new xbox




huh??? didnt get that one.... cpu-games?? :?


My bad , new games ... Its early (12:30 pm) Shouldn't be up for another 2 hours and its spring break which means i shouldn't be up for another 4 or 5 hours ...

Look you try typing something that makes sense after a night of partying and waking up next to two naked chicks senior year spring break my friend . What i was trying to say is that if this plan happens. THe new xbox will have games that don't need to be ported (if xbox2=top of the line computer) Mabye a fix or two so it runs of the dvd instead of the hardrive but that wont take mroe than a few days to fix. So basicly they could have a bunch of games right of the bat that they don't need to spend money on nor does the company that made them need to spend money on



well i still don't get it.... havent slept in 48 hours here.... and how the hell did *NEW* become *CPU*... what a typo.... :LOL: :LOL:


yeah i can see u havent slept well.... sort it out mate :LOL: :LOL:
it would take more than a few days of tweaking to port games.... unless u want to install them on ur XBOX2.... also the interface would have to be totally reconstructed to work on a controller instead of keyboard +mouse...
of course the graphics side of things would be pretty much the same...... but i dont think they will just stick the same components available for pc's... hell even the original XBOX has customised hardware...
 
I dont think its as much giving up on Xbox as just, taking the PC market more seriously, in this endevour, they can actually make profits, because they are only making the software. Its about time they give install-less games, computers are finally up to that task.
 
It sounds like, instead of making the Xbox into a PC, Microsoft wants to make the PC into an Xbox.

Makes a lot of sense too... If you count all PCs less than 2 years old as a "game system", the installed user base dwarfs the PS2!
 
BoddoZerg said:
It sounds like, instead of making the Xbox into a PC, Microsoft wants to make the PC into an Xbox.

Makes a lot of sense too... If you count all PCs less than 2 years old as a "game system", the installed user base dwarfs the PS2!

true that, I like many of the ideas listed, as long as they dont try to make shooters all use Gamepads to play, I will be very content with this move, PC Gaming is something i take very seriously, much like professional Pool players have thier own cue, many PC gamers as pathetically into it as me are that way with thier Mouse/Keyboard, I can not use someone elses mouse.
 
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