Llano IGP vs SNB IGP vs IVB IGP

CarstenS said:
HAven't seen this link posted in this thread:
http://blogs.amd.com/fusion/2011/06/09/amd-platform-innovations/

There's some perf numbers in there, too.
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Saw that the other day.
Interesting that battery life is compared to Intel system with I3-2310M which is just DualCore CPU with 35W TDP and 2.1GHz clock.
A8-3500M is 4 core 1.5GHz/2.4GHz and same 35W TDP.

3D Mark numbers are very good for integrated solution for laptop, and that is with low clocked 4 core APU where we all know 3DMark 06 loves fast cores.

I'm afraid when A8 laptop models hit the shops I will brake and buy one for me! Dual graphics models welcome ;)
 
Wow, AMD is really pumping up the expectations in there.

Isn't this kind of "we're outdoing ourselves" propaganda a bit dangerous, in case all the expectations aren't met?

All it needs is an OEM deciding to cut costs on the batteries' capacity (as many have done between AMD and Intel models so far) and this may go really wrong..
 
ToTTenTranz said:
Wow, AMD is really pumping up the expectations in there.

Isn't this kind of "we're outdoing ourselves" propaganda a bit dangerous, in case all the expectations aren't met?

All it needs is an OEM deciding to cut costs on the batteries' capacity (as many have done between AMD and Intel models so far) and this may go really wrong..
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Maybe there are clauses in the contracts to prevent such things? In any case, it's supposed to be released tomorrow, so we'll know just about everything soon enough.
 
Alexko said:
Maybe there are clauses in the contracts to prevent such things? In any case, it's supposed to be released tomorrow, so we'll know just about everything soon enough.
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Let's hope AMD made that kind of pre-arrangement, or they might get their success heavily sabotaged by the OEMs' greediness (as we've seen with the Congo\Nile vs. C2D ULV competition).
 
I had a 12" HP dv2z awhile back that had a Turion Neo X2 1.6 and a discrete 3450. It was slow, hot when running games and could only manage about 3 hours battery. A 3450 has a hard time with some games from 2002. I do wonder if Llano could be used in something like that with better results. Brazos is slower than a Turion X2 so don't want that...

Anyway yeah tomorrow should be interesting. I am most curious about power usage of this new 32nm CPU + GPU.
 
swaaye said:
I had a 12" HP dv2z awhile back that had a Turion Neo X2 1.6 and a discrete 3450. It was slow, hot when running games and could only manage about 3 hours battery. A 3450 has a hard time with some games from 2002. I do wonder if Llano could be used in something like that with better results. Brazos is slower than a Turion X2 so don't want that...

Anyway yeah tomorrow should be interesting. I am most curious about power usage of this new 32nm CPU + GPU.
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Newer Zacate UMPCs with Turbocore enabled and 1333MHz DDR3 (E-450) may come awfully close to that Turion X2 @ 1.6GHz. Plus, the integrated 80sp Cedar should be a lot faster than a 40sp RV620.

Mobile Llano's bottom power threshold is 35W, so I doubt they'll be coming to <13" models, unless it's something as thick\loud as an Alienware M11.
 
ToTTenTranz said:
Newer Zacate UMPCs with Turbocore enabled and 1333MHz DDR3 (E-450) may come awfully close to that Turion X2 @ 1.6GHz. Plus, the integrated 80sp Cedar should be a lot faster than a 40sp RV620.

Mobile Llano's bottom power threshold is 35W, so I doubt they'll be coming to <13" models, unless it's something as thick\loud as an Alienware M11.
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Yeah but I honestly don't see why Llano couldn't come down to 25W at some point in the nearish future. Of course, that would be in dual-core, 160-SP form, but that's enough for this kind of market.
 
M3410 is ~8W and Turion Neo X2 is ~18W. So you have ~26W there. There was also a 690G in that subnote but with the IGP disabled.

BTW, 34x0 was awful. Can't accelerate flash. 3D is like a Radeon 9600. Bleh. ;)
 
3450 can run some games ok. It will run UT3 alright at reduced settings. But then you try KOTOR and it's not entirely smooth. It really reminded me of a Radeon 9600 with support for more shader features.

The inability to accelerate flash is really a problem though when you are on a system with a wimpy CPU. It can accelerate H.264 and VC-1 but its UVD lacks something to allow flash accel.
 
swaaye said:
3450 can run some games ok. It will run UT3 alright at reduced settings. But then you try KOTOR and it's not entirely smooth. It really reminded me of a Radeon 9600 with support for more shader features.

The inability to accelerate flash is really a problem though when you are on a system with a wimpy CPU. It can accelerate H.264 and VC-1 but its UVD lacks something to allow flash accel.
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To be fair, KOTOR's engine was pretty buggy and would go from running fine to lagging badly for no apparent reason. You had to close the game and relaunch it. Of course, on current high-end graphics cards, even when it switches to "super-slow mode" you don't notice it because it's still above 60 FPS, but on a 3450 I can imagine how it might be noticeable.
 
swaaye said:
3450 can run some games ok. It will run UT3 alright at reduced settings. But then you try KOTOR and it's not entirely smooth. It really reminded me of a Radeon 9600 with support for more shader features.

The inability to accelerate flash is really a problem though when you are on a system with a wimpy CPU. It can accelerate H.264 and VC-1 but its UVD lacks something to allow flash accel.
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Wut? The HD3200 IGP (RV610 as well) in my Ferrari One accelerates Flash video and all kinds of browser acceleration just fine.
It's probably the one thing that's holding that dual-core 1.2GHz Athlon Neo together for a very decent web browsing experience.

I've also tried KOTOR in it and it played fine with 1024*768 medium-ish settings @ ~30fps.
I even played Mass Effect 1 in a 960*540 custom resolution with all settings low, at some ~24fps.

Perhaps you used an old driver?
 
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Lightman said:
3D Mark numbers are very good for integrated solution for laptop, and that is with low clocked 4 core APU where we all know 3DMark 06 loves fast cores.
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I doubt it would make a lot of difference for the gpu class we're talking here.

ToTTenTranz said:
And as AMD doesn't have anything to compete with nVidia's Optimus for Intel yet, I'd say a Llano with the discrete GPU turned off should be more power efficient than an i5+HD66xx.
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There are some hybrid notebooks on the market with AMD graphics without the display mux which have the display outputs just on the IGP. Looks to me AMD introduced its own Optimus solution rather quietly without anyone noticing yet :).
 
mczak said:
There are some hybrid notebooks on the market with AMD graphics without the display mux which have the display outputs just on the IGP. Looks to me AMD introduced its own Optimus solution rather quietly without anyone noticing yet :).
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For Intel CPUs and IGPs?

Really? Could you point out a model or two? (Honest question, I really thought AMD's switchable graphics only supported AMD IGPs so far.)
 
ToTTenTranz said:
Wut? The HD3200 IGP (RV610 as well) in my Ferrari One accelerates Flash video and all kinds of browser acceleration just fine.
It's probably the one thing that's holding that dual-core 1.2GHz Athlon Neo together for a very decent web browsing experience.
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780G does accelerate flash but most if not all of the discrete 3xxx GPUs do not for some reason.

ToTTenTranz said:
I've also tried KOTOR in it and it played fine with 1024*768 medium-ish settings @ ~30fps.
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Yes it's similar to a Radeon 9600 Pro (or X600 or X1300). Not exciting but is expected for a part with a tiny transistor budget and yet full DX10.1 featureset. I've messed with 780G too but on the desktop. I got the IGP up to 930 MHz. ;) It's too bandwidth constrained to really benefit though.

The modern stuff like 6450 is more interesting because it has far more ALU power and often GDDR5. They've also improved the texturing performance since the olden R600 times.

32nm Llano could make for some interesting notebooks....
 
ToTTenTranz said:
For Intel CPUs and IGPs?

Really? Could you point out a model or two? (Honest question, I really thought AMD's switchable graphics only supported AMD IGPs so far.)
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Dell Vostro 3550 for example.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-PowerXPress-4-0-aka-BACON-vs-Nvidia-Optimus.55204.0.html

edit: there are others, at least other Vostro's, I thought I saw some non-dell notebook as well. Since AMD doesn't really have a name for it yet though it's sort of hard to search notebooks specifically which support it :).
Judging by a bug filed against the linux kernel (can't switch gpu...), there's also at least HP notebooks out which support this though I don't know the exact model (recent dv7).
 
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There's also the MBP: http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/features.html
apple said:
The integrated Intel HD Graphics 3000 processor — now included across the MacBook Pro lineup — handles the things you do every day. It encodes video quickly, making HD video calls with FaceTime possible. And it decodes efficiently, so you get long playback time for DVDs and iTunes movies. For graphics-intensive applications, the 15- and 17-inch MacBook Pro models automatically switch to new high-performance AMD Radeon graphics processors.
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Nearly 1 billion transistors for a 32nm SOI Redwood (627M @ 40nm bulk)? :oops:

This chip weighs in at 1.45 billion transistors, nearly 50% more than Sandy Bridge. Around half of the chip is dedicated to the GPU however, so those are tightly packed transistors resulting in a die size that's only 5% larger than Sandy Bridge.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/4444/amd-llano-notebook-review-a-series-fusion-apu-a8-3500m/2

btw.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4444/amd-llano-notebook-review-a-series-fusion-apu-a8-3500m/13
~900 GFLOPs for Trinity.
 
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