j Allard Speech A Joke(uknown source)

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Giving away $2 million worth of high-definition TVs is a good way to make an audience like you - but even handing out a thousand of Samsung's 23" sets didn't change the fact that many in the audience at J Allard's GDC keynote on Wednesday morning weren't sold on his vision of the future.

Casually clad, open and passionate in what he's saying, and with an infectious grin, Allard is unquestionably a great speaker. However, his annunciation of the dawn of the so-called "HD Era" just didn't seem to wash with many of the game creators and publishers who had gathered in San Francisco for the conference, and even the internal logic of much of what he said seemed lacking.

It's not, as game developers after the speech were keen to emphasise, that they don't believe in high-definition. It's a great leap forward for graphics. But the reaction to being asked to see it as a defining factor of next-generation games was rather more wary, and with good reason.

American developers, unsurprisingly, were most enthusiastic about the HD Era - some even unreservedly so. After all, not only has the Xbox performed best in the USA - compared to a miserable performance in Japan and a tough slog in Europe - but HDTV has also taken off here much earlier than in Europe, where sets will only start to appear on the market this year, and TV broadcasts aren't expected to begin until 2006.

However, even some American game creators joined their European counterparts in expressing doubt about the HD Era. In a market where 5.1 surround sound is still possessed only by a small minority of consumers, despite equipment being available for many years, the replacement of televisions with HD sets is going to be a very slow, gradual process. Of course, Xbox Next - like all other next-gen consoles - will look great on a standard television, but that's not really the point. If you make HD into a key selling point for your console, you've potentially alienated a huge majority of consumers. Is Microsoft really willing to do that?

The answer seems to be a yes. Indeed, the company's message at yesterday's keynote seemed similar in this regard in more than one area. Allard opened his talk with a description of an old Atari advertisement which depicted an entire extended family and friends sitting in front of a console enjoying games - from young children to grandparents. This, he implied, was the vision of the HD Era - but from that inclusive message, within minutes he was talking about the three defining points of next-gen being high definition graphics, enhanced communication and customisable games.

All of those things are laudable, certainly, but are they mass market? Aside from the low installed base of HDTV, what about online? This generation, Microsoft focused on Xbox Live heavily, and provided an excellent service - which only 10 per cent of Xbox owners chose to use. Online, like HDTV, is still hardcore, and the shift to mainstream is more gradual than anyone at Microsoft seems willing to admit.

And what about customisation? Here, again, Microsoft seems to have chosen a niche interest area as a key selling point for its system. Certainly, there's a market out there - a certain percentage of teenage boys and young men - who might be considered a "remix generation", as Allard labelled them. They want to "trick out" their cars, modify their experience, and "self-express" through media. The success of Need for Speed Underground proves that - but while it's a good market for a videogame, is that a social trend worth basing an entire console strategy on? If you want to include everyone in that Atari advertisement, from kids to grandparents, in your target market, should you really be making something that only appeals to a small segment of a certain age group into your selling point?

Ironically, it's Microsoft's rival - the market leader whose share of the industry the Seattle-based giant is gunning for in the next generation - that actually seems to be getting this right. Sony has shown a willingness to experiment with broadening its demographic, introducing titles such as Eye Toy and SingStar which your average member of the "Remix Generation" probably wouldn't play in a million years - but your grandparents just might - and encouraging a range of software that covers all bases and appeals to all ages, genders and persuasions. That, it seems, is the difference between selling 20 million consoles in a generation, and selling 100 million.

Allard knows that Microsoft's next-generation console must appeal to everyone if it is to be successful, but as one developer commented last night, "Xbox is so busy trying to look cool to American teenage boys that it looks like they might forget about everyone else - again."
 
now you mention it, i didn't found this on the Gamesindustry.biz site ... scratches head.

anyway, take this with a grain of salt then , i copy pasted it from somewhere else
 
Re: Gamesindustry.biz: 'j Allard Speech A Joke

While it may be true that J. Allards comments did not resonate... it hardly has anything to do with the HD era discussion. If that was the case, then Sony would not prominently position PS3's BRD as a high point in its marketing. This article gets the issue backwards. The reason why the PS2 sold 100 million was two-fold:

1: it had the right games for those teenage boys to play, at the right time in the console cycle and was technologically unchallenged for almost two years and

2: PS had a real community. Not a virtual community like xbox live but a real community where real people know other real people who had or wanted a Playstation 2.
 
The new XBL features are meh. Nice but you can communicate using IM, cell phones, etc. these days.

What about spectator mode or multiplayer online games? Not massive ones but say 4 or 8-player sports games and the like. Yes shooters already support 8, 16, 32. But in consoles, sports games have a wide draw.
 
Source : This article comes from the GamesIndustry.biz newsletter. It's usually posted shortly after (few days) on the GI.biz website.
 
Shifty Geezer said:
Source : This article comes from the GamesIndustry.biz newsletter. It's usually posted shortly after (few days) on the GI.biz website.

THe source is in question which is why i changed it

hey69 said
now you mention it, i didn't found this on the Gamesindustry.biz site ... scratches head.

anyway, take this with a grain of salt then , i copy pasted it from somewhere else

So untill we can get a direct link to where it is posted its an unknown source
 
I reckon Sony will hype HD as much as M$ - if not more so. After all, PS3 will ship with a BRD drive.

BTW, I've been wondering... how do devs feel about the Xbox 2 UI? Surely there's some overhead associated with having that thing running in the background.
 
cybamerc said:
I reckon Sony will hype HD as much as M$ - if not more so. After all, PS3 will ship with a BRD drive.

They also have a consumer division that has a vested interest as they will be wanting to create reasons for shifting new TV sets.
 
Translation of the article: "Oh, lets not move on to color TVs for games. Even though they make a better gaming experience and by 2007 most TVs will be shipping with Color manditory, and it does not hurt non-Color TV gamers at all, we should not do it because some think it is a waste of time and should sit back and just do black and white". I could see the arguement against broadband for the next couple years, but HD works on PC monitors and does NOT hurt non HD gamers and NOT supporting 5.1 is just stupid (note: I do not have a 5.1 home entertainment system).

But this quote says it all:

That, it seems, is the difference between selling 20 million consoles in a generation, and selling 100 million.

Since when has PS2 sold 100M machines? Last I heard they had shipped 80M. And, oh yeah, Sony + BR? No emphasis on HD there... :rolleyes: Real even news reporting.
 
IMO, HDTV uptake will in the next few years will shock everybody. I still laugh when people used VCR to model DVD player sales and ended up underestimatic uptake by only oh 700% within first 5 years.
 
Geeforcer said:
IMO, HDTV uptake will in the next few years will shock everybody. I still laugh when people used VCR to model DVD player sales and ended up underestimatic uptake by only oh 700% within first 5 years.

well when a 50 inch hdtv plasma screen goes from 5k to 1k then we will see an uptake as that is what cause the700% sales from dvd players. They went from being 500$ for a crappy one to 100$ for a pretty damn good one
 
only problem i have with the Allard speech is MS' stance that we are entering the HD Era yet they arent including HD media! :!: aka bluray/hddvd
 
function said:
Because as the PC proves, you can't have high resolution games without BR/HDDVD! :devilish:

aye

You can have hd res on a normal dvd too .

As long as the xenon outputs at a hd dvd res all is fine . I don't see why anyone would claim its not a hd device .
 
Some one sound bitter..

MS have good GDC, not whizbang as no official unveil like Xbox, but good enough to show strong visions and tools u know competent to carry it out, walk the talk.

Live360 is superb, dont compare with PC, but in videogame, it very easily way ahead.

HD? seem pt of contention. still up in air whether Xenon will have HDVD. Yes is bad if Xenon DVD space lose to ps3 brd. but no as bad as when psxcd beat n64rom imo.


if want to talk "HD media", hdvd/br is born to record and all. ROM just have the picture.

Anyway, we don even know ps3 br movies need buy addon or not? ;)
 
If people thought the GDC show was lackluster, what were they expecting? A full debut of Xbox 2? Surely they couldn't be that ignorant.

jvd said:
Geeforcer said:
IMO, HDTV uptake will in the next few years will shock everybody. I still laugh when people used VCR to model DVD player sales and ended up underestimatic uptake by only oh 700% within first 5 years.

well when a 50 inch hdtv plasma screen goes from 5k to 1k then we will see an uptake as that is what cause the700% sales from dvd players. They went from being 500$ for a crappy one to 100$ for a pretty damn good one

It isn;t going to be the 50" TVs that push mass market to HD. It is going to be the normal sized TVs. Plasma screens wont put HD ahead either. It is a lowsy technology that burns out too soon for mass market.
 

It isn;t going to be the 50" TVs that push mass market to HD. It is going to be the normal sized TVs. Plasma screens wont put HD ahead either. It is a lowsy technology that burns out too soon for mass market.


Yes but you can still get yourself a normal tv for 200$ less than a hdtv model and for some people that is alot of money . Right now there is nothing to make anyone want a hdtv .

Till there is nothing will drive sales like dvds drove sales
 
HDTVs sales growth rate in the past couple of years has been in the high double-digits, if not triple digits.

That is expected to continue as prices keep going down.

Every Christmas and Superbowl, you'll have hundreds of thousands of HDTV sets sold from here on out.

Well within the life cycle of this next generation of consoles, the installed base will be over 50 million, according to forecasts.
 
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