Hrm interesting stuff- GeforceFX at 600MHz+

alexsok said:
Two months? I assume u didn't follow my posts...
Besides, you don't know the history and the way NV30 was constantly undergoing changes, changes that are far more severe than just it's memory bus.
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I followed your trail of incorrect posts.
And you know what?
I dont care what you think changed - RELIABLE people on this board have said that it takes more than a few months to do that much redesign. Sorry ldude, but i''ll believe CMKRNL far far before i will believe you.
you posted things that changed within the last 3 months. That is just about impossible. Sorry, you were wrong.
 
I followed your trail of incorrect posts.
And you know what?
I dont care what you think changed - RELIABLE people on this board have said that it takes more than a few months to do that much redesign. Sorry ldude, but i''ll believe CMKRNL far far before i will believe you.
you posted things that changed within the last 3 months. That is just about impossible. Sorry, you were wrong.
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Alright m8, suit yourself, I'm not making you believe anyone, and if you believe CMKRNL more, good for you, since the info he provides is pretty accurate.
 
Since DigitLife has been accused of being NVIDIA biased IMO it's also fair to mention they claimed R200's aniso had better much better IQ then NV20's. That imo smells of atleast a little ATi bias...
 
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Well I just read the digit-life article, which although an interesting read contained far too much idle speculation (which mostly seemed to fall toward benefiting Nvidia), uncorrected 'typos' (as Alexsok claims they are, although I have a hard time believing it) and pre-canned Nvidia PR for me to see as decent.

you could see that they already have an NV30 board running at stepping A01 in their labs right now.
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Interesting claim.

Since DigitLife has been accused of being NVIDIA biased IMO it's also fair to mention they claimed R200's aniso had better much better IQ then NV20's. That imo smells of atleast a little ATi bias...
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Maybe they thought it was better, IQ is somewaht speculative after all much like most of their 'technical comparison'. :LOL:
 
Alex:

I definitely think it's time for you to shut the hell up about your supposed inside knowledge. You trying to worm your way around the fact that you had a very smug attitude not very long ago when people doubted your claims of a 256-bit memory bus is NOT going to work. You were like, "just you wait, you'll see I'm right". And you know what, YOU WEREN'T!

Now you spin an elaborate yarn of the NV30 specs changing constantly etc, why should we believe that when we already have ample evidence you're plain full of it?

So the logical conclusion is, either your sources are morons who makes things up and you're a bigger moron for believing them, or you're simply a wannabe trying to impress people with "inside knowledge". Making a wild guess of the NV30 having a 256-bit bus because R300 has it, and 8x2 because R300 only has 8x1 is a fair guess I suppose. With all the delays, one would expect Nvidia to have upped specs to definitely squash ATI. Problem with that is, it's f*nboi reasoning. Things aren't that simple.

On one hand we have you saying Nvidia was shooting at a constantly moving NV30 target. On the other hand we have other people saying the NV30 specs/design did not change significantly throughout its development period. Who to believe comes down to a matter of trust.

Your cred's basically shot to hell around here. Your excuse that things changed is a lame one when we KNOW there's no way that Nvidia could have scaled back NV30 from 256-bit to 128 in the timeframe from when you were saying with rock-solid conviction it HAD 256, and up to the launch when we all could see for ourselves it was 128.

So, time to stop pretending you're something you're clearly not. We've CALLED your bluff already and you lost!


*G*
 
Grall: You got it all wrong. I initially claimed that NV30 would utilize a 256-bit memory bus, that was correct until it was cut down to 128-bit and I mentioned it'd be 128-bit before the annoucement! NV30 was a constantly moving target for all sorts of design changes and the design changed more than several times!

Since I can't really talk about it, let me just say that the NV30 we're all seeing now is not the NV30 we were supposed to see and is definetly not the NV30 I talked about months ago on the board.

Now, whether you believe me or not is not my call to make, as I'm not forcing you to believe me. I want you to understand the way things really are, so you would have a better understanding of the situation back then and the way it radically changed during that timeframe. Rest assured, I learned plenty from that experience, which is why none of you are seeing any posts of mine dealing with such subjects right now.
 
Oh come on alexsok, we already know from reliable sources about what changes in the NV30 actually occured: Nvidia was originally planning to get it work on a more advanced (low-voltage) 0.13 process. They've been working on it since february, but TSMC has failed them again and again. So they've re-designed it for the less advanced process, which in turn forced them to overclock the chip. You can look up this information here on the board...
The memory bus and TMU count was 128 and 1/pipe back in february, and it's safe to assume that it was the same back in last year too. Nvidia might have toyed with the idea of a 256-bit bus back in 2001, but back then it was considered to be far too expensive and thus it's most likely that they've never designed an architecture with it.

So please stop claiming that you were still correct with your "info" a few months ago. Noone will believe it and you're just making a fool from yourself...
 
Laa-Yosh said:
Oh come on alexsok, we already know from reliable sources about what changes in the NV30 actually occured: Nvidia was originally planning to get it work on a more advanced (low-voltage) 0.13 process. They've been working on it since february, but TSMC has failed them again and again. So they've re-designed it for the less advanced process, which in turn forced them to overclock the chip. You can look up this information here on the board...
The memory bus and TMU count was 128 and 1/pipe back in february, and it's safe to assume that it was the same back in last year too. Nvidia might have toyed with the idea of a 256-bit bus back in 2001, but back then it was considered to be far too expensive and thus it's most likely that they've never designed an architecture with it.

So please stop claiming that you were still correct with your "info" a few months ago. Noone will believe it and you're just making a fool from yourself...
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As I said, I don't expect people to believe me, but I'm not bluffing.
You're correct in what you've written above, although that wasn't the only hurdle NVIDIA had with NV30 and NV30 wasn't 128 and 1/pipe back in february. Again, NV30 underwent through major hurdles and the thing you mentioned above wasn't the only one.

Now, I'm well in a position to make the claims I make (even though I don't really expect most people here to believe me), you I suppose, aren't, so let's just leave it like that...
 
alexsok said:
Since I can't really talk about it, let me just say that the NV30 we're all seeing now is not the NV30 we were supposed to see and is definetly not the NV30 I talked about months ago on the board.
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Why don't you just let go of it, Alexsok...
 
alexsok said:
Since I can't really talk about it, let me just say that the NV30 we're all seeing now is not the NV30 we were supposed to see and is definetly not the NV30 I talked about months ago on the board.
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Whatever a piece of hardware was is irrelevant - what matters is what we all finally can buy.

I don't care whether your source is an NVIDIA employee (I doubt it) or someone who claims to be close to NVIDIA or etc. etc.

I didn't even publicly post stuff about 3dfx (and their future products) when I got it straight from 3dfx's top engineers back in those days. If you're not sure why I didn't post such stuff, perhaps you should learn a bit more about what it takes to be a participant in a forum. So... why did you posts all those pre-launch NV30 stuff? To get recognized? Please...

When you open your mouth spewing forth stuff like "NV30 will be this but I can't really tell anything more" many moons before the actual product, it really is frustrating to read your posts and ultimately you do yourself a disservice.
 
I'd say give it up fighting it Alex. Not for any technical reason though. IMO it looks like your posting info here you really believe is right and you seem like a reasonable guy. Nobody here took Alex's claims seriously in the first place so why is everybody in a line to light a fire under his ass for potentially being proven wrong? If an unsaid rule is not to take anything you read on the internet seriously why is everybody striking out like their feelings are hurt by how Alex's speculations turned out?

You should give up fighting it because of the humongous ego's proliferating on this forum. With "better" and "bigger" buzzwords, contacts and mental libraries of technical knowledge their speculation is always more right then yours and should be treated as such! :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
 
GetStuff said:
With "better" and "bigger" buzzwords, contacts and mental libraries of technical knowledge their speculation is always more right then yours and should be treated as such!
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You see, the problem is that he claims it wasn't speculation but 'real insider info'. Anyway, you're absolutely right that this matter has been discussed enough and so we can move along...
 
GetStuff said:
You should give up fighting it because of the humongous ego's proliferating on this forum. With "better" and "bigger" buzzwords, contacts and mental libraries of technical knowledge their speculation is always more right then yours and should be treated as such! :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
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No, the issue is with what is possible and what is not.
It is not possible for Alexsok to be correct. The changes to his "Specs" in the time frame we have is impossible, as stated by reliable (proven over time to be correct) sources. Its not about buzzwords. Its about who is correct. And its NOT POSSIBLE for alexsok to be correct.
Ergo, he is not in contact with any insiders (or if he is, they are liars). And so any and all info he posts is to be treated with extreme speculation. Whereas if someone like CMKRNL (as i said earlier) who has been correct time and time again, posts some info, well - he has credability. If you cant see this, fine. But dont try and make everyopne out to be huge egomaniacs around here, just because they wont believe someone who is clearly incorrect.
 
Good to see that Dave is taking the high road again about personal attacks on the board being taken in private and insisting that threads castigating a person not happen. :rolleyes:

The spin here is interesting for writing marketing docs I'd bet.
 
Username said:
Good to see that Dave is taking the high road again about personal attacks on the board being taken in private and insisting that threads castigating a person not happen. :rolleyes:

The spin here is interesting for writing marketing docs I'd bet.
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Good to see Username doing the same...... :rolleyes:
 
Somebody please lock this thread!
Everything that needed to be said has been said already! We don't want this thread to degrade into a flame bait, now do we? :rolleyes:
 
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