Fujitsu at 90 nm tells us something about 65 nm CPUs

[notAFanB]

we may see games towards the end of the systems life that come out only in hdtv res. But i highly doubt it . As i said the gen after this one coming up will be teh hdtv gen.

they won't really need to will they. all the dev has to do is consider planning and producing a title at say 720p and scale downwards for non-complient sets.

it's not like they are gonna be bandwidth/memory constrained now are they? (whoops jinxed it).

i am not sure, but many many 30inchers plus, support HDTV res. they dont cost much more than normal sets. HDTV cost/availability is really not much a deal today....i think...imo..

the votes are in ..and the market says...*drum roll*..OI YOU ,, NO!!

 

[cybamerc]

jvd:

> But honestly do you really think that more than 10% of the installed tv
> base is hdtv ?

No, but I don't care either. Using old tv standards that are about to get replaced as a guideline would be short sighted and quite frankly moronic.



notAFanB:

> try Europe, we can be summed up in word...moronic.

Well, Europe will get there but in the meantime there are countries like the US, Japan and Australia with actual goals in regards to HDTV,



london-boy:

> Just for the sake of argument, chap, if you want an HDTV compatible
> TV, u'd have to buy a Plasma or LCD TV

No you don't. You can get a CRT direct view from JVC that does 1080i. It's reasonably priced as well. Thomson has a set some ppl claim does 720p. Lots of companies are coming out with new models that have fine pitch tubes (same ones that are used for HDTVs). Be patient. You'll soon see lots of HDTV sets.

There are also a couple of LCD rear projection sets that support 720p natively.

 

[jvd]

jvd:

> But honestly do you really think that more than 10% of the installed tv
> base is hdtv ?

No, but I don't care either. Using old tv standards that are about to get replaced as a guideline would be short sighted and quite frankly moronic.

why call it moronic. In 98 when my father spent the money to redo the living room there was no hdtv . But he got a 50 inch tv for a good price. Now 6 years later you want him to get a new tv . Or when i got my 27 inch and couldn't afford the extra 300 bucks for an hdtv . Or even now when people would rather take the 100 bucks and spend it on food or clothing than the hdtv feature they don't know anything about.

It would be diffrent if the tv makers would push hdtv and the stations would push it. But they aren't. I can count on my hands how many shows in the states are broadcast in hdtv . It doesn't seem like thats going to change anytime soon either.

Whats moronic is to keep ntsc tvs on store shelves to make a quick buck instead of switching to a full hdtv product line while not ripping us off.

 

[notAFanB]

No, but I don't care either. Using old tv standards that are about to get replaced as a guideline would be short sighted and quite frankly moronic.

good thing nobodies likely to do that then huh.

Well, Europe will get there but in the meantime there are countries like the US, Japan and Australia with actual goals in regards to HDTV,

I repeat...we...are....morons....

 

[KnightBreed]

In the United States PBS, NBC, ABC, WB, Fox (currently only EDTV, but will be start HDTV soon, from what I hear), UPN, ESPN, HBO, etc, etc all broadcast some of their programs in HDTV. Hell, nearly half of primetime programming on the major networks is broadcast in HDTV. Right now NBC and CBS are leading the pack. Watching football in 720p is aweinspiring.

The marketplace is saturated with large projection TVs that are HDTV capable. The majority of the large TV sets from Hitachi, Mitsubishi, and Panasonic are HDTV ready, so if you want a large TV you will likely get HDTV. You can buy a gorgeous Mitsubishi 65" screen for $2200-2500. You can buy HDTV sets in the 30+ range for under $1000.

We're talking about next generation consoles that are meant to last until 2009-2010. I would hope most games in next-gen consoles support at least 720p. Anything less on a large TV would be unacceptable.

 

[London Geezer]

what i personally think, and i know i'll be killed for saying this, and i'm gonna keep it short, is that:

DVDs LOOK "REAL" AT 640X480.


that's it, u draw your own conclusions. all i'm saying is that before thinking about IQ, MANY MANY things to get right before worrying about super high resolutions. that is, physics, animation (that play the biggest part i think in achieving a realistic look), amount of detail, art assets, framerate, control response etc...

*hides*

 

[jvd]

In the United States PBS, NBC, ABC, WB, Fox (currently only EDTV, but will be start HDTV soon, from what I hear), UPN, ESPN, HBO, etc, etc all broadcast some of their programs in HDTV. Hell, nearly half of primetime programming on the major networks is broadcast in HDTV. Right now NBC and CBS are leading the pack. Watching football in 720p is aweinspiring.

The marketplace is saturated with large projection TVs that are HDTV capable. The majority of the large TV sets from Hitachi, Mitsubishi, and Panasonic are HDTV ready, so if you want a large TV you will likely get HDTV. You can buy a gorgeous Mitsubishi 65" screen for $2200-2500. You can buy HDTV sets in the 30+ range for under $1000.

We're talking about next generation consoles that are meant to last until 2009-2010. I would hope most games in next-gen consoles support at least 720p. Anything less on a large TV would be unacceptable.

Whats % of hdtvs compared to ntsc tvs . The fact of the matter is hdtvs are only a tiny percent of the tvs currently in use. Many people would say 1000 , is to much for a tv and i agree Not when you can still get 50 inch projection tvs for that price compared to the 30 in hdtv. People are slow to except. Dvds succeded so well because they were priced close to vhs tapes and had tons more features. Hdtv is not priced close to normal tvs and most of the users of the last 2 years have not been able to see a diffrence.

Hdtv will not be important and support will be added as a feature. By the next gen there will be enough systems to get rid of ntsc but not this gen.

 

[Panajev2001a]

What the f^ck ? Who hijacked this thread into an HDTV debate ?

 

[Saem]

What the f^ck ? Who hijacked this thread into an HDTV debate ?

Sucks, eh?

It'd be interesting if one could moderate ones own thread.

 

[Panajev2001a]

You know what is worse ? The mod is involved and is pushing this HDTV discussion.

If at least it had ANY hooks to what we were talking about...

 

[MfA]

Whine whine whine.

 

[Citan]

In the United States PBS, NBC, ABC, WB, Fox (currently only EDTV, but will be start HDTV soon, from what I hear), UPN, ESPN, HBO, etc, etc all broadcast some of their programs in HDTV. Hell, nearly half of primetime programming on the major networks is broadcast in HDTV. Right now NBC and CBS are leading the pack. Watching football in 720p is aweinspiring.

Not every local station is able to retransmit HD signals yet though. Alot of markets (such as mine) you only get HDTV(sort of) if you can get Directv or Dish Network.

 

[ban25]

Thanks. That's as big as those Itanium 2. Got the wattage ?

I think 4PE + 64MB eDRAM Cell will be around that size too, give or take (most probably larger).

Don't know, it wasn't mentioned in the presentation. The 1.35 GHz SPARC64 V (single-core) has a typical power dissipation of around 40W if I remember correctly.

 

[Sonic]

Thread went way off topic. Closed