First political party casualties from the war on terror?

Sarcasm noted.
Though you have to give Bush credit for being a strong leader.

Druga Runda said:
epicstruggle said:
kyleb said:
maybe it will cause the government in Spain to see that they should respect the will of the people. i know i am asking a lot there for a supposably democratic goverment, but it would be cool.
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Whats the point of having smart people to be our leaders? Just have a nationwide poll for every decision, that will give you the will of the people everytime. The problem with that is the fact that the people are stupid. ;) Better to have leaders who take the unpopular (but correct) decision from time to time.

later,
epic
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And than welcome comerade Bush - you the smartest of all americans - protect us from danger and lead us into prosperity ;)
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Hhe as if the terrorist dont already know that violence brings massive violence back to the middle east which is what are their real goals. AQ hasnt gained any new incentive to attack. What they want is popular upheaval and support for their cause in muslim countries.

They wont get that if Spain, and other western countries, back out and goes ahead with the socialists promise to being back the troops from Iraq. I expect attacks on those countries that refuse to go beyond afghanistan in the war against terror. But by no means do I not expect attacks anywhere they can be carried out. With increased intelligence efforts its likely attacks will happen wherever they can...
 
I don't believe the war on terror will ever be won.
Hatred breeds violence and violence breeds more hatred.

The war on terror hasn't even started to spill out on the streets in countries like Australia/USA, though I fear one day it eventually will.
 
K.I.L.E.R said:
I don't believe the war on terror will ever be won.
Hatred breeds violence and violence breeds more hatred.

The war on terror hasn't even started to spill out on the streets in countries like Australia/USA, though I fear one day it eventually will.
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I'm in London, and i'm quite worried. To be honest it would be SOOOOOOOOOOOO easy to pull something like that off in here, that i'm just waiting for something to happen and hope i'm not gonna be there when it does.
London is most certainly on the top of their list, and i just think it's ridiculous that people have to live "waiting for something to happen" just because a bunch of people think they can prove something with TNT and another bunch can prove something with precision-laser missiles...

We, the people, are who ultimately will suffer from this, and i HOPE, i just HOPE i'm not gonna be there when something happens.

Hell, the Tube is already falling apart as it is, with trains accidentally crashing against the tunnels' walls, people being pushed under the trains... All we need is a bomb and it's over, i'm out of this country. Gonna be in Siberia... Oh wait, that got wiped out by a meteorite at the beginning of the century, so i guess that ain't really safe either... Hawaii... Nope, vulcanos... Tokyo... Nope, earthquakes or tidal waves (pick one)...

See, there is not one safe place on earth. We're doomed. We're all gonna die... :|
 
Eventually we all have to die. It's fate.

I don't mind the dying part, I do care about the 'how' part though.
The last thing I need is to die in horrendous amounts of pain.
 
K.I.L.E.R said:
Eventually we all have to die. It's fate.

I don't mind the dying part, I do care about the 'how' part though.
The last thing I need is to die in horrendous amounts of pain.
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Oh yes. So i guess, if i have to be where the next bomb is gonna go off, i wanna be the one that sits right next to it. I won't even know what hit me.
I know it's not a nice subject to talk about, but in the end that's what i hope. I wouldnt want to be the one who's hit by the millions of glass who survives with none of his own skin left, no sight because his eyes got hit by the glass, and things like that. Give me a clean, quick, painless death.

Lord this is getting gross...
 
london-boy said:
I'm in London, and i'm quite worried. To be honest it would be SOOOOOOOOOOOO easy to pull something like that off in here, that i'm just waiting for something to happen and hope i'm not gonna be there when it does.
London is most certainly on the top of their list, and i just think it's ridiculous that people have to live "waiting for something to happen" just because a bunch of people think they can prove something with TNT and another bunch can prove something with precision-laser missiles...
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If you let the fear of terrorism get to you, the terrorists have achieved their goal. The best way for you as an individual to contribute to the defeat of terrorism is not to allow it to change your way of life.
 
nutball said:
london-boy said:
I'm in London, and i'm quite worried. To be honest it would be SOOOOOOOOOOOO easy to pull something like that off in here, that i'm just waiting for something to happen and hope i'm not gonna be there when it does.
London is most certainly on the top of their list, and i just think it's ridiculous that people have to live "waiting for something to happen" just because a bunch of people think they can prove something with TNT and another bunch can prove something with precision-laser missiles...
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If you let the fear of terrorism get to you, the terrorists have achieved their goal. The best way for you as an individual to contribute to the defeat of terrorism is not to allow it to change your way of life.
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Heh u make it sound easy... It's not rally "fear", but it's a presentiment that something really bad will eventually happen in what is after all on of the biggest city in the world... Can't help it...
 
That punk Aznar had it coming. One down, two more to go. First he dragged his country into a war against the declared will of 90% of the people (and thus probably moved up Spain on AQ's priority list a few notches) and then he found it neccessary to play political games by blaming ETA without solid or even strong circumstancial evidence.

I am feeling uneasy about their decision to pull out of Iraq, though, because that move might indeed encourage terrorists. Spain shouldn't have gotten involved with Bush's war in the first place but it's too late for that now.
 
L233 said:
That punk Aznar had it coming. One down, two more to go. First he dragged his country into a war against the declared will of 90% of the people (and thus probably moved up Spain on AQ's priority list a few notches) and then he found it neccessary to play political games by blaming ETA without solid or even strong circumstancial evidence.

I am feeling uneasy about their decision to pull out of Iraq, though, because that move might indeed encourage terrorists. Spain shouldn't have gotten involved with Bush's war in the first place but it's too late for that now.
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To be honest, everyone thought it was the ETA... Spain never seemed the first of AQ's targets, and jumping on the AQ conclusions straight away seemed a bit too much.
And it almost felt like most people "didn't want" AQ to be responsible for this, not again, not in Spain. You see what i mean?
 
If you'll read a little into the history of ETA their actions have never been this coordinated, and with the exception of a single bombing in 1987, have have not deliberately targetted civilians. They've almost all been police, soldiers, or politicians. This event really didn't have much in common with ETA other than the fact that it happened in Spain.
 
To be fair, there was ETA activity concerning large amounts of explosives in both Spain and France in the weeks/months before the Madrid bombing. I don't see how initially attributing it to ETA was irresponsible, even though it seems to be wrong in retrospect.
 
Clashman said:
If you'll read a little into the history of ETA their actions have never been this coordinated, and with the exception of a single bombing in 1987, have have not deliberately targetted civilians. They've almost all been police, soldiers, or politicians. This event really didn't have much in common with ETA other than the fact that it happened in Spain.
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Oh yeah i'm fully aware of that, it's just that ine the first hour or so everyone was too busy thinking it wasn't AQ. It felt like the whole war on Iraq was completely USELESS. that is why everyone jumped on blaming ETA straight away, although everyone also knew it wasn't them.

It would be like blaming the IRA if the same happened in London....
 
Joe DeFuria said:
It really is a shame to see Spain raise the white flag.

Terrorism won this election, AFAIC.
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One of the platforms the socialists were running on was pulling their troops out of Iraq, though the timing of when they actually do recall their troops could definitely send the wrong message.
 
John Reynolds said:
One of the platforms the socialists were running on was pulling their troops out of Iraq...
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Yes....and all the polls had the socialists losing the election prior to the attack.

though the timing of when they actually do recall their troops could definitely send the wrong message.
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I think the fact that the socialists won already sent the wrong message. "Attack us, and you have a good chance at impacting politics in your favor."

What I still don't get, is that if Iraq has "nothing to do" with Al Queada, then why are people drawing the conlcusion that Spain's involvement in Iraq made it a target for attack....
 
Let this stand as an eternal moment to the stupidity of the fools who mutter nostrums to the effect that "terrorism" never works. It does, quite well sometimes.

In some ways it's exhilarating to consider the creative possibilities. For instance, the EU is going to take an action in the next few months that will probably condemn the northern Kurds to a slow death. A possible path to a (slim) survival margin might now be lit.
 
Joe DeFuria said:
Yes....and all the polls had the socialists losing the election prior to the attack.

I think the fact that the socialists won already sent the wrong message. "Attack us, and you have a good chance at impacting politics in your favor."
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Yep. Very scary. Especially with the last known sound byte from bin Laden saying he expects to die within the next year and be a martyr.

What I still don't get, is that if Iraq has "nothing to do" with Al Queada, then why are people drawing the conlcusion that Spain's involvement in Iraq made it a target for attack....
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Because of Spain's support of US foreign policy in the ME, particularly the invasion of Iraq.
 
John Reynolds said:
Because of Spain's support of US foreign policy in the ME, particularly the invasion of Iraq.
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But why does AQ care about Iraq?

And why should Spain or anyone else care what AQ cares about Iraq?
 
Joe DeFuria said:
John Reynolds said:
Because of Spain's support of US foreign policy in the ME, particularly the invasion of Iraq.
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But why does AQ care about Iraq?

And why should Spain or anyone else care what AQ cares about Iraq?
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I knew right away where you're going with this Joe and it's extremely non sequitur. This does NOT prove a relationship between Saddam and AQ in any way, shape, or form. We invaded a ME, Islamic nation, we've had sanctions against that nation for years, and we now have a strong military presence in that very country for the past year. Anyone who supports us in this is going to be punished if possible by the AQ to isolate the US.
 
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