FIFA 09 and PES 2009

Shifty Geezer said:
Lag is a matter of distance from servers, not bandwidth speed. Bandwidth is more like how large a lorry is and how much it can carry, whereas lag is an issue of how far the lorry has to drive.
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Um bandwidth speed is highly correlated with ping. Distance plays some part, sure, but with enough speed i can play "lag free" from norway with people in the states, bandwidth plays a huge role.

Further, distance just increases ping, that however is not the most severe form of lag. Even at 100-150ms pings its still very playable if you lead enemies in shooters, as long as its stable. That stability comes with bandwidth speed, aspecially in online shooters (and all online games with many players).

Even if you had 12 mates living around the block, and you decided to try to host a serverside shooter with an 128k isdn connection its going to lag, distance is only so important, upload bandwidth is the real bottleneck for online play. You need 2-4mbit upload speed for most 6vs6 shooters for lag free gaming if your hosting the game.

In the case of PES its definately some flaw in their netcode coupled with framerate, because often it lags even when i play with people that live 10 km from me, that i ping 8-9ms to.
 
You really missed the point Ostepop. Bandwidth hardly correlates to latency. The only case it is, is when you're limited by it. Which is the vast majority of cases where you're not hosting the game is not the case. Now a game eating up way more bandwidth needed and causing lag is different, that's poor net code. But again, just look at online PC games and you'll quickly see that the real limitation is distance and more accurately the number of hops your connection to the server takes.
 
By 'distance' I was simplifying things. The number of servers your connection passes through affects things, for example. Just trying to point out that having high bandwidth isn't in itself what'll cure lag.
 
Shifty Geezer said:
By 'distance' I was simplifying things. The number of servers your connection passes through affects things, for example. Just trying to point out that having high bandwidth isn't in itself what'll cure lag.
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Of course bandwidth isn't by itself the cure for lag, but upload bandwidth is the most common bottleneck, and the most common reason for lag in online gaming.

If a player with 256kb upload tries to host a 10player game, its going to lag a lot (console owners dont seem to be bothered by it thought).
 
Not particularly impressive graphics.

Shame that EA does have more competition in the soccer genre, Fifa would have looked much better then..
 
Fifa 09 demo coming September 11th

Over at the EA press conference that’s currently taking place at the Leipzig Games Convention, EA has announced they will be releasing a demo of Fifa 09 on the 360 and PS3 this coming September 11th on Xbox Live and PSN. A PC demo will arrive one day after (that Sept 12th maths fans) if everything goes to plan.

EA did not reveal what will be the exact contents of the demo, but we guess it will be one half of a match, with a small selection of International teams to chose from.

The big selling point of this years game will be a ‘10 vs. 10′ Be A Pro online game.

The full game is set to hit Euro shores on October 3rd
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I like it :D
 
I heard Konami announced they also will have multiplayer online play.

However, none of their previous games have even shown basic online play that works reliably.

So the jury is out. Like lot of other Japanese developers, they will have to prove they can do online games.
 
Well I played the demo today, I am quite impressed with how gameplay was so improved over last game. Now I need to try PES out before making a decision. PES has brought Champions League Licence so thats good in terms of competition.
 
Played the demo today, another big step towards PES style gameplay. Played a couple matches, its not bad at all. The players look much better than they did in 08. A lot of annoyances from 08 and traditional fifa games are gone, it feels much less scripted than it used to be (it still probably is, just good hiding).

The players AI seems to be smarter (played at professional), not only the enemy but also your own team are better at moving where you want to be.

Having the referee and linesmen in the game is also a nice addition.

Tried on PS3, framerate felt smooth, as opposed to the previous incarnation of Fifa, which had a terrible framerate.
 
are there any 3d grasses on the ps3 demo, or the depth of field? cant seem to find any 3d grass in the gamersyde screenshots.
 
FIFA 08 or FIFA 09? I thought they started doing the in-game replays this year, which would be FIFA 09.
 
infinity4 said:
http://i30.tinypic.com/2rep6wg.jpg

FIFA 09 screens:

http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/images/community/fifa09/fifa0901.jpg
http://forums.electronicarts.co.uk/images/community/fifa09/fifa0902.jpg

PES 2009 screens:

http://www.winningelevenblog.com/wp-content/uploads/pic5pr.jpg
http://www.winningelevenblog.com/wp-content/uploads/pic2pr.jpg
http://www.winningelevenblog.com/wp-content/uploads/pic3pr.jpg

It seems FIFA will top PES for at least another year. They are ahead in virtually every department, from graphics, licence, sound, AI, gameplay, physics, UI, and so on. Why can't PES be as good as it used to be?

What is going wrong with PES team?

Mod Note: This is a discussion board, not a photo gallery. Please don't use img tags for large file sizes.
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Completely disagree with the bolded part. While PES has all but stopped evolving the last few games, it still smacks down FIFA hard in the gameplay department.
 
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