Explanation of nv30 screens

[sancheuz]

The early Nv30 screenshots that ben put are true. Sharky Extreme put up the pics along with other pics showing the features of the nv30 and along with an explanation of each. Here is the link: http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/videocards/article.php/3211_1434621__3
To the moderators: Please quit deletiong my threads, this is an interesting topic that is bringing people to your site, and getting the facts straight on future gpu's.

 

[alexsok]

Yep, read their overview a few minutes ago!

While I never had any doubt those were indeed rendered on NV30, I still don't see where did they get this information? Was it confirmed by NVIDIA or what?

Either way, it's EXTREMELY EXCITING!

 

[John Reynolds]

Nvidia has recently sent out a pdf file with some general specs on NV30 within its pages. I believe these pics are being pulled by various sites from the pdf, so the SE article doesn't prove that the images were indeed rendered by NV30 (and, to be perfectly clear, I'm not saying NV30 is incapable of rendering them, real-time). I haven't seen this pdf so, to again be perfectly clear, I'm doing a little guess-work here.

Sancheuz:

I deleted your earlier post because linking to some thread on another forum that was started by some guy named "vic" claiming 8x4 NV30 pipe architecture and full Glide support is hardly B3D discussion material. Yes, that sounds like an elitist statement, but I'm really getting sick of company fanboys linking to anything they can find to support their side of this boring R300 vs. NV30 war. Take it elsewhere or, yes, I'm going to continue deleting such posts.

 

[jb]

JR IMHO you need to be more harsh with the removing of threads and/or locking. Its been my experince that only then do you tend to restore order when moderating forums....

 

[sancheuz]

Boring War? What in the world? Cant you see how many people quickly run to read anything about the nv30 or the r300? Boring war? In marketing, markerters find a very unstable and fragile subject, and use it to attract people. The nv30 attracts people. That is not boring. It might be boring to you, and to JB order? There is no disorder in the first place.

 

[array]

you guys arent reading closely enough between the lines. those images were NOT rendered on the nv30. they are just theoretical examples of what could be done with the nv30. all of those images are found on the exluna site (www.exluna.com), and exluna didnt even own the RIB files for some of those images. Particularly the motorcycle and the cofee cup. how can exluna give something to nvidia that it never possesed in the first place?

 

[DemoCoder]

Perhaps NVidia got permission to use the RIB files from the original authors, the same way NVidia is using the Kaya assets.

Secondly, when someone says "the NV30 rendered that image" it doesn't neccessarily mean "the NV30 rendered that image in real time". It still could have took dozens or hundreds of hours to render, just that it would be faster than a pure CPU approach.

Given the 128-bit precision of the DX9 pipeline, from beginning to end, any algorithm can probably be implemented now by suitable number of passes controlled by the CPU and stencil tricks to do conditionals. It may or may not be faster, but it certainly is possible. Seems to me that DX9's pipeline combined with multipass is Turing equivalent.

 

[Dio]

As far as I am aware, R300 is the first Turing-complete GPU. Presumably nv30 will be too.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I find it strange that no one picks up that they actually say NV3x meaning NV30-NV39.

After reading everything that has been said in the various topics, it's my conclusion that while the NV30 might not come out with all the rendering bells and whistles(namely that the NV30 is the GF5) the NV31(which funnily hasn't been discussed here but has been seen in the Nvidia Det. 30 drivers inf) might be the Nvidia Quadro which is more Workstation/Cad Designer orientated and it is this card which might have the bells and whistles included. And even from that prospective if it ain't then there will be a NV32/3/4/5/6/7/8/9 Card to consider.

I'm happy that Nvidia is bringing out this type of card(if not for me, since i'm a gamer, for the designers out there) since there will be a great variaty.. even if it just is the R300/nv30/R320(10000)/nv31.

Go Nvidia.. go ATI .. more power to ya.

US

 

[demalion]

As far as I am aware, R300 is the first Turing-complete GPU. Presumably nv30 will be too.

What about the VP10?

 

[Nappe1]

oh dear... this looks to be another nv30 will kick r300's <something that cannot be said aloud> (or vice versa) threads.

what happened to word constructive? did it change to destructive?

oh well, I am too scaried to post any of my opinions here. Maybe some day word constructive makes come back here.

suddenly I find myself looking this site as R300 and nv30 would be only things in the damn planet. Ssomething is happening soon, but because it doesn't have anything to do with nv30 or r300, no one is really interested, so why bother reporting about it here...

let me know when NV30 is out and fan wars are over. until that time I'll be somewhere else.

 

[Randell]

suddenly I find myself looking this site as R300 and nv30 would be only things in the damn planet. Ssomething is happening soon, but because it doesn't have anything to do with nv30 or r300, no one is really interested, so why bother reporting about it here...

let me know when NV30 is out and fan wars are over. until that time I'll be somewhere else.

Nappe1 this thread was not degenerating at all. If the site is full of NV30 this, Cg that, R300 the other, surely that is because ATi & nVidia are the two biggest IHV's, they are hyping their new products and flooding the net with material. If images like the Exluna ones can be rendered by NV30/R300 or their derivatives in real-time, that is a major advancement. Getting to the bottom of what these chips are really capable of is surely of interest and doesnt have to be fanboy fodder.

If you want to discuss other 3D hardware technologies then post about it

 

[Nappe1]

suddenly I find myself looking this site as R300 and nv30 would be only things in the damn planet. Ssomething is happening soon, but because it doesn't have anything to do with nv30 or r300, no one is really interested, so why bother reporting about it here...

let me know when NV30 is out and fan wars are over. until that time I'll be somewhere else.

Nappe1 this thread was not degenerating at all. If the site is full of NV30 this, Cg that, R300 the other, surely that is because ATi & nVidia are the two biggest IHV's, they are hyping their new products and flooding the net with material. If images like the Exluna ones can be rendered by NV30/R300 or their derivatives in real-time, that is a major advancement. Getting to the bottom of what these chips are really capable of is surely of interest and doesnt have to be <bleep> fodder.

If you want to discuss other 3D hardware technologies then post about it

well, I think you partially miss my point... I didn't ment to say that R300 and NV30 should not be discussed, but where's that all technical jargon that what made me admire this site 1.5 years ago? ( it was something that I wanted learn too and get on the disscussions.) I mean, nowadays everyone is just flaming how R300 is the greatest and how NV30 will or will not destroy it, but where's the all technical discussion about what makes R300 so great and what nVidia should at least have to get on comparable results... this site used to be place where didn't matter who side you were, because everyone agreed technical point of view. Of course there was argues, but usually arguments were based on raw facts, not on "becauz it has been always thiz way!!11" -kind of things.

and yes, I made one topic about thing I wanted to have technical discussion and what I got?? well, check out yourself. It's only my threads on the front page. Of course it was partially my own screw up... I never should have give the subject it has now. topics like "using embedded memory technologies on Hand Held / Mobile devices and it's advatanges / weaknesses when compared to TBR" would have worked much better, but it's too late now. I can't make that kind of thread anymore just because it would cause me to be totally stamped Bitboys fan boy without any reality basis.

I can surely say that I am BB fan boy, but I still have feets on the ground and I have very good reasons to stand behind their "nonsense" as the general public here seems to be thinking. And of course, with a good reason. But still I would have though a bit more technically professional touch to that discussion... this used to be professional site, not a fight club of different gfx card owners...

EDIT: this was my rant, hopefully you don't mind if you think it's being in a wrong thread.

 

[Randell]

Sure
there are some decent conversations in that thread, but for sure mentioning BB's is umm a red rag to a bull.

 

[Dio]

As far as I am aware, R300 is the first Turing-complete GPU. Presumably nv30 will be too.

What about the VP10?

I am not aware of details about the VP10
I covered my backside for this case in my original quote 8)

Anyone who knows?

 

[Fuz]

Umm... what is a "Turing-complete" GPU?

 

[Dio]

A rough summary (rough, because I'm not sure of the very precise definition myself!) of a Turing-complete machine is that a particular machine has the same capabilities as a generic Turing machine, which is capable of solving any problem that can be expressed algorithmically.

The implication is that a GPU can do anything a CPU can do. Not necessarily as efficiently, of course. All depends on the algorithm.

 

[sancheuz]

Wow, that is going to be good. So all the effects we see in computer screens are basically algorithimgs that the gpu processes?

 

[KimB]

Only the CPU is, and always will be, better at some calculations than the GPU. The GPU will never take complete control over all processes, and quite possibly not even all processes directly related to graphics (such as scene management).

 

[grrrpoop]

The early Nv30 screenshots that ben put are true. Sharky Extreme put up the pics along with other pics showing the features of the nv30 and along with an explanation of each. Here is the link: http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/videocards/article.php/3211_1434621__3

Umm.. I can't see any alleged nV3X pix in that article, and a quick look around the site got me nowhere. If Sharky Extreme had the images up and subsequently removed them, I'm sure that speaks volumes about their validity.

If I've overlooked the images somehow please give me a direct link. The one you supplied has none of the contentious renders.

UknownSoldier: Very observant! These could be "examples" of what an nV39 may be capable of doing in realtime. We just don't know.

I've observed many raging arguments over at Rage3D about these images and I think it's a shame that fans of nVidia technology are being given nothing substancial to look forward to. All ATI's previews so far have featured actual hardware, actual realtime demos, DOOMIII etc.. so it's understandable that the fanATIcs are jubilant. It's unfair on the nVidiots that they have to clutch at every scrap of allegedly leaked info and imagery like it's what nV30 is capable of.

So far it's just "nV3X". That's an entire series of cards.

We really have to all take a step back and wait for something more concrete, all this is doing is giving the fanATIcs more ammo to ridicule nVidiots..