Canadian - US divergence NYtimes article

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Sxotty

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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/02/international/americas/02CANA.html?hp

The city opened a publicly financed and supervised injection site for heroin users in September. The federal government, meanwhile, is preparing to start an experimental heroin distribution program for addicts in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver in 2004.
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And yes I picked a sensational example, b/c I was wondering if it was incorrect. I thought perhaps it was that sythetic heroin they use to wean people off heroin.

In any case I feel the article is over stated, b/c I have no problem with gay marriage, although whether they use marriage or not I don't care about, but I think that they should be able to get all the tax breaks and what not.

In addition a large amount of yanks want public health care. (I had to use yanks, b/c there is no short word for United States Citizens besides americans which some people get all huffy about us using.)
 
K.I.L.E.R said:
What's so bad about the word 'Americans'? :?
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It is not specific enough to the United States. Canadians are Americans, as are Chileans, Mexicans, Panamanians, etc.
 
Yeah, but americans has traditionly been a moniker denoting US citizen. Think about the official titles in other languages, basically say citizen of the united states of america, and that is just too long.

In any case it looks like I created an unintended divergence of the actual topic ah well.
 
Sxotty said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/02/international/americas/02CANA.html?hp

The city opened a publicly financed and supervised injection site for heroin users in September. The federal government, meanwhile, is preparing to start an experimental heroin distribution program for addicts in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver in 2004.
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And yes I picked a sensational example, b/c I was wondering if it was incorrect. I thought perhaps it was that sythetic heroin they use to wean people off heroin.
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I'm not sure what synthetic heroin is. But as far as I know, weaning people off heroin is most always a temporary affair and relapse is almost the norm. That's a tragedy. But at some point people start to realise that many more people are affected by the petty crime that happens as a result of the addiction than by the addiction itself. Given the reality that many addicts are beyond curing, distributing heroin on a registered per person basis becomes an obvious and pragmatic solution.
 
Florin said:
Sxotty said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/02/international/americas/02CANA.html?hp

The city opened a publicly financed and supervised injection site for heroin users in September. The federal government, meanwhile, is preparing to start an experimental heroin distribution program for addicts in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver in 2004.
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And yes I picked a sensational example, b/c I was wondering if it was incorrect. I thought perhaps it was that sythetic heroin they use to wean people off heroin.
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I'm not sure what synthetic heroin is. But as far as I know, weaning people off heroin is most always a temporary affair and relapse is almost the norm. That's a tragedy. But at some point people start to realise that many more people are affected by the petty crime that happens as a result of the addiction than by the addiction itself. Given the reality that many addicts are beyond curing, distributing heroin on a registered per person basis becomes an obvious and pragmatic solution.
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Communist drug pusher!!!! :devilish:
 
Florin said:
Given the reality that many addicts are beyond curing, distributing heroin on a registered per person basis becomes an obvious and pragmatic solution.
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You need some help. No-one is beyond help. At worst a bullet would cure them.
 
Methadone is "synthetic heroin" (cures the shakes but no euphoria).

And I know at least one heroin user that is clean now.
 
Thanks russ, that is what I was thinking of. One used to hear about methadone clinics, regularly.

Yeah I know one guy who has quit heroin as well. Unfortunately he has not been able to kick all his habits (though he only smokes pot now), but has been clean (of hard drugs) for about 4 years. He is going to amsterdam with some friends for the holiday though... ah well I'll see if when he comes back he is still clean.
 
Sxotty said:
Thanks russ, that is what I was thinking of. One used to hear about methadone clinics, regularly.

Yeah I know one guy who has quit heroin as well. Unfortunately he has not been able to kick all his habits (though he only smokes pot now), but has been clean (of hard drugs) for about 4 years. He is going to amsterdam with some friends for the holiday though... ah well I'll see if when he comes back he is still clean.
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You make it sound as if it is particularly easy to get heroin in Amsterdam.
 
If I made eye contact with any of the various black men in Amsterdam, I was offered everything between crack and crack whores, so I can only presume its somewhat easy to find.

edit: the above statement sounds racist, but it happened time and time again. (And obviously I don't mean all of the black men in amsterdam)
 
Hmmm, I find that remarkable, considering that I lived there for years and noone *ever* offered me anything but hash. And not even anywhere outside of the red lights district. I guess I don't look the type.. :?
 
RussSchultz said:
If I made eye contact with any of the various black men in Amsterdam, I was offered everything between crack and crack whores, so I can only presume its somewhat easy to find.

edit: the above statement sounds racist, but it happened time and time again. (And obviously I don't mean all of the black men in amsterdam)
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I don't think it sounds racist at all espcially considering it is an accurate portrayal of a community or culture.
 
Florin said:
Hmmm, I find that remarkable, considering that I lived there for years and noone *ever* offered me anything but hash. And not even anywhere outside of the red lights district. I guess I don't look the type.. :?
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Perhaps it was because I was with a group of obviously backpacking Americans?
 
Legion said:
Clashman said:
ByteMe said:
You need some help. No-one is beyond help. At worst a bullet would cure them.
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Who needs Mussolini, when we have ByteMe?
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Who needs Stalin when we have Clashman?
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Why am I not surprised that you came to the defense of someone who's advocated shooting people suffering from drug addiction, that giving people a right to a job was equivalent to "helping stupid and lazy people breed", and for outright genocide in the Middle East? :rolleyes:
 
RussSchultz said:
Florin said:
Hmmm, I find that remarkable, considering that I lived there for years and noone *ever* offered me anything but hash. And not even anywhere outside of the red lights district. I guess I don't look the type.. :?
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Perhaps it was because I was with a group of obviously backpacking Americans?
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A similar thing happened to me when I went to London for the day with a couple of mates. We were going through Soho to our hotel (note me said through, hehe) in the evening where this guy who looks like the vocalist for Faithless (housemusic 'Insomnia' etc) 'black guy' anorexic looking, grabs my arm forcefully and shouts, "You want some pussy?" and then points in a direction to the right and lets me go... I was like "WTF?!"
A little later on (about 1 minute later in fact) one of my mates gets approached by a pretty average looking 'white guy' and the next thing I know we are being led into a house and a staircase, and again I'm thinking "WTF?!" and I ask my mate what the hell we are doing here where this student pops out from a door upstairs who is leaving and says, "Enjoy yourselves lads" and I realise what is going on.
Then from another door out pops this woman, who is fairly attractive, in white satin lingerie (I have a good memory for these things, hehe) and whispers, "Who wants to go first?.." Again I think to myself "WTF?!?!" and enough was enough and I just charged out of that damn brothel with my idiotic mates following me behind.

The biggest similarity to Russ' story is that we were all wearing backpacks and seemed to have "TOURIST" written all over us.
:rolleyes: :LOL:

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Why am I not surprised that you came to the defense of someone who's advocated shooting people suffering from drug addiction, that giving people a right to a job was equivalent to "helping stupid and lazy people breed", and for outright genocide in the Middle East? :rolleyes:
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Probably because you are still the same person with a tremendously skewed perception :LOL:. Do you really think he condones putting these people to death?

Do people have "a right to a job"? Shouldn't they earn a job? You could possibly see me defending this position. I can't possibly see myself defending a person's "right" to a job without some form of contract.

Who supports out right genocide in the middle east? I don't recall supporting this.
 
My sis is a doc and is completely against legalization. I hadnt heard about this test program. The only coverage Ive caught was needle exchange programs in vancouver and clean injection sites.

I argued with her over it tho... drug related crime is a plague. But of course we dont want new addicts to join the ranks as she says she sees potential addicts with a lot of her patients. Also opium was legal in China in the 19th century and it was an abomination... I think we should have a very strict screening policy for those who are clearly already addicts and treat them with legal sources but at the same time do everything to keep normal people from joining those ranks.

I agree with George Shultz on this issue tho... And by no means are doctors universally opposed to legalization of some sorts of hard drugs. My sis has only practiced as a small town doc too... her opinion might change if she had worked the inner city
 
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