Any new interest in Cell based computing?

I agree with Shifty and XBD. CE goods may [have to be] the market where it catches on, initially at least.

Two thing we tend to overlook when discussing CELL's power in regards to retail markets:

1) It takes time and money to write applications to take advantage of the architecture; adding in hardware startup costs moving to the CELL architecture is an expensive move and a big risk with a lot of risk and possible upside.

2) Intel and AMD are not sitting still. Conroe is coming this Summer as well, and the peak FLOPs on Conroe are not too bad, and the chip is relatively cheap (~$300 for 2.4GHz, less than $600 for 2.66GHz). Quad cores are also around the corner. For the consumer space that means no need to get new software (just keep using the tens of thousands of back library items and allow the new high-demand computing stuff trickle in); for IT it means you can use your older software and have access to relatively cheap machines for server farms. AMD looks to have a slow next 12 months, but they are moving forward on ZRAM and on a FPU coprocessor using Clearspeed. So in the next couple years you may be able to pick up a quad core CPU where half the processors are FPUs. May not be idea for all situations, but this offers some flexibility and software compatibility.

Personally I have thousands of dollars of software. If I have to choose between a quad core x86 CPU where all my software works and 99.99% of new software will work on and I get a significant boost in performance or choose Cell with no compatibility with past software with very few new titles and limited selection, I am going to choose the x86. As an IT person unless time & cost come out on CELLs side and the risk is low *and* it is well established that my task will absolutely work well on CELL and can be deployed within the time frame of the project, then I could look at it. But then again people tend to be lazy so even that is not a guarantee. It is also nice on the consumer sector to have AMD and Intel competing and using the same memory platforms and reaching a huge market (over 200M PCs a year). This creates a very price competitive market.

It seems to me that if CELL is going to get a foothold, if it can outside the PS3, is going to be in specialized server markets (which seem to be very small for CELLs unique structure and needs right now) and in CE goods. TVs, HD Media drives, etc

In which case it is up to Sony, Toshiba, Samsung, etc to incorperate CELL into their own products.

And the wild card: NV. I always thought that using CELL for a PPU would have been a good idea seeing as AGEIA and Havok already are developing libraries for it. Maybe NV will take a stab at this? Or something more wild...
 
Is Cell in full production yet? That must be the obvious reason for scarcity of Cell blades and plug-in PCI-e Cell PPU cards on sale on EBay right now. When it is in production, initially the PS3 will soak up pretty well all of the production for some time.

Bear in mind also that Cell applications are mostly in the embedded or specialist markets like imaging or military applications. People who use Cell in HD TV sets, set top boxes, mobile devices etc aren't going to know they are buying a Cell powered device, and people who use CAT scans or attend airshows where the latest military hardware is displayed, aren't going to know either.
 
SPM said:
Is Cell in full production yet? That must be the obvious reason for scarcity of Cell blades and plug-in PCI-e Cell PPU cards on sale on EBay right now. When it is in production, initially the PS3 will soak up pretty well all of the production for some time.

Bear in mind also that Cell applications are mostly in the embedded or specialist markets like imaging or military applications. People who use Cell in HD TV sets, set top boxes, mobile devices etc aren't going to know they are buying a Cell powered device, and people who use CAT scans or attend airshows where the latest military hardware is displayed, aren't going to know either.

I don’t think we will be seeing PCI cell cards on sale anytime soon there where requested and one of the engineers said they where still discussing it or something along those lines , I’ll see if I can dig threads up again
 
Atleast in the supercomputing arena, I haven't heard a lot about cell recently as far as IBM's BladeCenter systems are concerned. I'm hoping that with a reasonable MPI implementation and if the cell blades are reasonably priced I might be able to generate some interest in them here. We'll have to see how it goes, and how IBM decides to market it.

Nite_Hawk
 
london-boy said:
Cell is not just one configuration. Cell can be made in any configuration needed, with as many SPEs as needed, so a Cell chip with 2 or 4 SPEs would be just fine and maybe still a bit overkill for TV image processing.

We'll see...

It would still be a pretty big chip and run hot. DSPs have pretty small dies and they don't need heatsinks and fans.

As far as supercomputing is concerned, it looks like even Clearspeed has beaten CELL to the punch.

https://registration.ft.com/registr...s/s/e6692f4a-ae06-11da-8ffb-0000779e2340.html

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/05-15-2006/0004361342&EDATE=
 
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NANOTEC said:
It would still be a pretty big chip and run hot. DSPs have pretty small dies and they don't need heatsinks and fans.

As far as supercomputing is concerned, it looks like even Clearspeed has beaten CELL to the punch.

https://registration.ft.com/registr...s/s/e6692f4a-ae06-11da-8ffb-0000779e2340.html

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/05-15-2006/0004361342&EDATE=


I think Cell in a TV or mobile phone would be an SPE or SPE's on their own without the PPE. Presumably they would be controlled by the embedded processor that also controls the device eg. an ARM chip. An SPE is basically a DSP, the only difference is that it is a network and security orientated processor.

SIT's idea is that the SPE which has a security environment similar to the Java virtual machine would download and execute code the same way that a Java Virtual Machine does, and do it as securely, but do it with incredible speed because instead of running Java byte code, it would run SPE byte code natively. This is what IBM has been going on about with regard to software Cells as opposed to the Cell chip which is hardware.
 
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