Another Democratic Presidential Debate

Natoma

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This one was held in New York today and will be aired tonight at 7PM EST and again at 10PM EST on the "Discovery Times" channel. In NY on Timewarner Cable, 'Discovery Times" is channel 113.

Same combatants as before, i.e. Edwards, Kerry, Sharpton, and Kucinich. Tonight's moderator is Dan Rather.
 
Natoma said:
This one was held in New York today and will be aired tonight at 7PM EST and again at 10PM EST on the "Discovery Times" channel. In NY on Timewarner Cable, 'Discovery Times" is channel 113.

Same combatants as before, i.e. Edwards, Kerry, Sharpton, and Kucinich. Tonight's moderator is Dan Rather.

Hmm, Oscars are on tonight.

Hey, this is one American who has his priorities straight. 8)
 
John Reynolds said:
Natoma said:
This one was held in New York today and will be aired tonight at 7PM EST and again at 10PM EST on the "Discovery Times" channel. In NY on Timewarner Cable, 'Discovery Times" is channel 113.

Same combatants as before, i.e. Edwards, Kerry, Sharpton, and Kucinich. Tonight's moderator is Dan Rather.

Hmm, Oscars are on tonight.

you wanna take bets on how long its gonna be on tonite ;)

I'm thinkin about 4 hrs...
 
Sazar said:
John Reynolds said:
Natoma said:
This one was held in New York today and will be aired tonight at 7PM EST and again at 10PM EST on the "Discovery Times" channel. In NY on Timewarner Cable, 'Discovery Times" is channel 113.

Same combatants as before, i.e. Edwards, Kerry, Sharpton, and Kucinich. Tonight's moderator is Dan Rather.

Hmm, Oscars are on tonight.

you wanna take bets on how long its gonna be on tonite ;)

I'm thinkin about 4 hrs...
more like 5, there are apparently no time limits on speaches. ;)

later,
epic
 
Natoma said:
Same combatants as before, i.e. Edwards, Kerry, Sharpton, and Kucinich. Tonight's moderator is Dan Rather.
Hey natoma, do you finding sickening to watch a debate that is supposed to differentiate the candidates from each other, but instead focuses on who can bush bash the most. Edwards, in the LA debate, looked like he all but gave up the nomination to kerry, and is instead in the hunt for the VP seat. Quite pathetic. My only concern is that this whole thing now is going to be a sham to keep the "free coverage" for a few more weeks.

later,
epic
 
Johnny Depp or Bill Murray better win best actor. All I'm going to say.

/me is a Johnny Depp fanboy, especially when he's in Keith Richards mode. Sweet Monkey Jesus, did I just say that out loud?
 
You haven't been watching Edwards campaign for the past year Epic. He's never really been an "attack" politician. That's one of the reasons I like him so much. He's generally more content to stress his own record and his own beliefs and how he feels he's going to be able to make this country better, rather than savage his opponents. Even his attacks on Bush are generally more like "I disagree with this and think its the wrong direction for our country. This is how I'm going to fix it. [long detailed spiel]"

That's why he didn't gain traction in the democratic election process until late in the season in Iowa, because people were attuned to the highly sharpened attacks from Dean and Gephardt.

Personal opinion now. If Edwards doesn't do well on Tuesday, he's going to bow out rather than risk embarassment in the south, i.e. his "back yard." However, even in losing the nomination, he's prepared himself well for 2008 (if the democrats lose this year) or 2012 (if the democrats win two terms). This election was difficult for Edwards because he wasn't known on the national stage. Looking at exit polling and other indicators, Edwards has consistently closed the gap on Kerry when he's had enough time to let the voters get to know him. Unfortunately in this compressed campaign schedule, time has been a luxury he has not had.

What is good for Edwards however is that people are now very aware of him, and quite frankly, everyone likes him as a candidate. Democrats, Republicans, Independents alike. He will be remembered for running a relentlessly upbeat and positive campaign, and that sticks with voters imo. I think he's set himself up well for 2008 or 2012. If he had come in with a "brand name" like Lieberman or Kerry, then he would be dominating the process.

People are voting for Kerry not because they like him or really believe in him. Only because they think he can win. It's a feeling of "He'll do I suppose, but I'm not jumping out of my seat in support of him." That's a damning indictment of Kerry imo. But with Edwards, you not only have people who believe in him personally, but believe in his policies and quite frankly, trust him, from all sides of the political spectrum.

Frankly I believe that Edwards is eventually going to be president, and 2003-2004 was his political coming out. Even if he is defeated in the nomination process, I think this is truly a "win win" situation for him.
 
Natoma said:
You haven't been watching Edwards campaign for the past year Epic. He's never really been an "attack" politician.
I know he hasnt been an attack politician. And I have been watching his year long campaign. But had he actually been hunting for the nomination _now_ (last few days) he would have differentiate himself from kerry more forcefully (not attacking). All the difference between the 2 is that edwards is the son of a millworker. ;) Which he constantly repeats to anyone who listens. Oh and the he's from the south. How about deep philosophical differences with kerry? Pointing out your differences is not attacking.

later,
epic
 
The Baron said:
Johnny Depp or Bill Murray better win best actor. All I'm going to say.

/me is a Johnny Depp <bleep>, especially when he's in Keith Richards mode. Sweet Monkey Jesus, did I just say that out loud?

if he was in keith richards mode he would be walkin to the show with a few syringes plunged into his back and a necklace of spliffs and a joint hanging loose from his mouth... :devilish:

I personally like sean penn for ze oscar.. he did well in mystic river...
 
epicstruggle said:
Natoma said:
You haven't been watching Edwards campaign for the past year Epic. He's never really been an "attack" politician.
I know he hasnt been an attack politician. And I have been watching his year long campaign. But had he actually been hunting for the nomination _now_ (last few days) he would have differentiate himself from kerry more forcefully (not attacking). All the difference between the 2 is that edwards is the son of a millworker. ;) Which he constantly repeats to anyone who listens. Oh and the he's from the south. How about deep philosophical differences with kerry? Pointing out your differences is not attacking.

later,
epic

Personally I feel he did on issues of trade, which is where there is the most difference, along with his policies on tax cuts. Even in the last debate I think he tried to do that while going moreso on the offensive, but it felt like his overall message got lost when he did so, as if he was uncomfortable doing it.

The truth of the matter is, the most glaring differences between Edwards and Kerry are stylistic. The policy differences however, are for those who really want to get into the political nitty gritty. I don't think they necessarily sell well to the "average american" voter because it is in many ways splitting hairs. Are those split hairs definitive political differences for those who pay attention and care? Certainly. Are they definitive for the person just tuning into the process now because they have a vote coming up in a few days? Probably not.
 
epicstruggle said:
bill murray all the way. ;)

:devilish:

well tbh I did quite like him in that flick... but a part of me just kept thinking... GROUNDHOG DAY... there is the GHOSTBUSTER... :eek:

OT.. the last 2 democratic debates that I have browsed over have actually been pretty interesting (other than sharpton screaming all the time... very annoying)

the shocking thing is dennis kucinich seems to have the best platform (other than his controversial support of gay marriage but even then he explained it well)

edwards and kerry seem very close to each other in terms of their platforms.. sharpton has none... deans was all hate and kucinich has the best ideas but likely they will be usurped by teh front-runners (he did win hawaii though)
 
TIme and again, edwards could have pounded kerry on his vote for nafta and the wto. He has given up, IMO, and is just going through the motions now.

later,
epic
 
Well let's watch this debate and see what happens. I read a quick excerpt on it and apparently Edwards got very snippy with Kerry in this debate. I didn't read all of it though because I want to be surprised, but the consensus is that Edwards went all out on Kerry apparently. The debate actually occurred a few hours ago fyi.

So maybe you got your wish epic. ;)
 
Natoma said:
Well let's watch this debate and see what happens. I read a quick excerpt on it and apparently Edwards got very snippy with Kerry in this debate. I didn't read all of it though because I want to be surprised, but the consensus is that Edwards went all out on Kerry apparently. The debate actually occurred a few hours ago fyi.

So maybe you got your wish epic. ;)
I hope it happens. Although Ill be watching the oscars. ;) Another concern ive mentioned earlier is that this thing will (or has it already) turned into a sham primary. Just look at how much traction the dems have gotten out of this primary, having it last longer can only be a good thing for them.

later,
epic
 
epicstruggle said:
Natoma said:
Well let's watch this debate and see what happens. I read a quick excerpt on it and apparently Edwards got very snippy with Kerry in this debate. I didn't read all of it though because I want to be surprised, but the consensus is that Edwards went all out on Kerry apparently. The debate actually occurred a few hours ago fyi.

So maybe you got your wish epic. ;)
I hope it happens. Although Ill be watching the oscars. ;) Another concern ive mentioned earlier is that this thing will (or has it already) turned into a sham primary. Just look at how much traction the dems have gotten out of this primary, having it last longer can only be a good thing for them.

later,
epic

You're a true american. :p
 
epicstruggle said:
TIme and again, edwards could have pounded kerry on his vote for nafta and the wto. He has given up, IMO, and is just going through the motions now.

later,
epic

I noticed that as well.. in fact kucinich made a very poignant comment regarding that very point twards both kerry and edwards a few nights ago so I don't quite no whats going on..

personally I have a feeling a kerry/edwards ticket might work well but kerry/kucinich might be the sane mans choice (but not for conservatives by any stretch of the imagination) and kerry/dean would mean the end of the world...
 
I was kinda thinking Nader/Dean.

Both outsiders. Both a little kooky. Both play well to the "I'm really angry about bush". And both are egomaniacs.
 
RussSchultz said:
I was kinda thinking Nader/Dean.

Both outsiders. Both a little kooky. Both play well to the "I'm really angry about bush". And both are egomaniacs.

I think you can include the "both ain't gotta clue bout their policy" quotient to that :)

nader/dean pairing is as scary as the emperor/vader pairing in emprie strikes back..
 
Sazar said:
I think you can include the "both ain't gotta clue bout their policy" quotient to that :)
Why is that. It seems that both nader and dean were knowledgeable about their issues. I never agreed to their views, but at least it seemed they knew what they were talking about.

later,
epic
 
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