Anandtech: then and now

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WaltC said:
I fired up HL with the 3.1 Cats (before installing the 3.4s) for several hours a few days ago--never had a problem once with ESC. No problems now with the 3.4's. As always, few bug reports are universal in scope even though it is often assumed that because some have problems everybody has problems.
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That's because it was only in the 3.2s. As far as I can tell it affected everyone.
 
If 3D Mark 03 is so unimportant then why did nVidia spend so much time and energy figuring how to cheat it?
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And what does that have to do with Anand covering it?

You Seriously can't expect reviewers to tests every game for bugs, especially old ones.
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Then how is it logical to expect a review site that doesn't have access to the beta 3DM2K3 program to report on the 3DM2K3 issue? The CS bug was reported on extensively and is something that is very easy to validate for anyone with a R300 and a copy of HL. Same case with the SS probelm and the SC screw up.
 
Ben, CS played perfectly Fine and very fast with D3D mode. Thus you are really really pushing it trying to say that the ESC issue in OpenGL mode was a serious issue. Which indicates to me you really did'nt understand the issue in the First place, or know what was really happening.

Which is IMHO Very typical Of these kinds of Arguments from the Nvidia camp.
 
Hellbinder[CE said:
]Which is IMHO Very typical Of these kinds of Arguments from the Nvidia camp.
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How typical of most internet arguments. (resorting to the "how typical" argument)
 
Ben, CS played perfectly Fine and very fast with D3D mode.
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Didn't on my 9500Pro. SeriousSam plays just fine after you adjust the configuration file on nV hardware, doesn't change the fact that it has issues.

Which is IMHO Very typical Of these kinds of Arguments from the Nvidia camp.
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If you list off problems with nVidia and ATi, you are in the nVidia camp :rolleyes: I take it the only way to be impartial in your eyes is to praise ATi for everything they have ever done and blast nVidia for everything they have ever done?
 
BenSkywalker said:
If you list off problems with nVidia and ATi, you are in the nVidia camp :rolleyes: I take it the only way to be impartial in your eyes is to praise ATi for everything they have ever done and blast nVidia for everything they have ever done?
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no, but your posting history places you squarly in the rabid anti-ati group.
 
BenSkywalker said:
no, but your posting history places you squarly in the rabid anti-ati group.
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That's why I spent my money on a R9500Pro, typical behaviour from someone who is 'rabid anti-ati'....
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Heh, wow...no, the "rabid anti-ati" is a description of your comments after you bought it and before you returned it, and the comments you continued to make after that continuously (like that GF 4 MX users would be downgrading image quality by going to a 9700 because it didn't super sample AA alpha textures in half-life...nevermind AF, MSAA, resolution, and frame rate benefits).

That thread is pages full of other "factors" your mention of purchasing a 9500 Pro doesn't happen to include, and I can't help wondering if you have some incredibly "clever" new rebuttal planned out, since I can't fathom that it would actually be surprising to you that people might remember it.
 
and the comments you continued to make after that continuously (like that GF 4 MX users would be downgrading image quality by going to a 9700 because it didn't super sample AA alpha textures in half-life
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You can't be serious
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RussSchultz said:
That's why I spent my money on a R9500Pro, typical behaviour from someone who is 'rabid anti-ati'....
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Join the crowd. ;)[/quote]

Hey, I was called an Nvidia fanb@y last fall on several boards (assumedly for the sin of running a GF4 at the time). I then shelled out $325 or so for a 9700 Pro. Now I'm getting called an ATi fanb@y on certain boards. And before all this I was a big ole' 3dfx fanatic.

At least I've been consistent in one area and that's the CPUs I buy. Intel all the way, baby! :devilish:
 
Doomtrooper said:
and the comments you continued to make after that continuously (like that GF 4 MX users would be downgrading image quality by going to a 9700 because it didn't super sample AA alpha textures in half-life
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You can't be serious
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On that basis, are you going to maintain that "inferior IQ" as indisputable?
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Yes, until ATi releases a SS implementation for their R300 boards. Overall the AA on the R300 is leaps and bounds beyond what I currently have, but in HL it is extremely poor. The games needs SS AA.
Are you further maintaining that half-life (the first one, the one with alpha tests) IQ is make-or-break for people who play it and its mods?
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No, nor is performance a major concern with any vaguely close to current board. But what about those people upgrading from a GF4MX to a R9700Pro and HL looks poorer? Talking about the die hard loyalists here.
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The ability to focus only on alpha tests, while ignoring things like performance limitations of the GF 4 MX, the AA for any other type of edge, and aniso limitations for the GF 4 MX, makes his protest at the end of that quote, and in this thread, seem very ironic to me. For the sake of brevity, I don't expect him to recognize why, but I do expect that these links show why people have formed opinions about him specifically.

BTW, I don't claim this disproves his other comments, just that I wish he'd not waste time making claims like he "can't be characterized as rabidly anti-ATI because he bought a 9500".
 
RussSchultz said:
BenSkywalker said:
no, but your posting history places you squarly in the rabid anti-ati group.
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That's why I spent my money on a R9500Pro, typical behaviour from someone who is 'rabid anti-ati'....
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Join the crowd. ;)
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As has been already demonstrated, there is ample evidence for lumping Ben into the rabid anti-ATI crowd. His neglecting to mention his subsequent comments and return of said card merely highlight his bias - by attempting to "prove" a lack of bias with incomplete facts, he shows that he is not even able to be unbiased in his proofs of unbiasness!! :oops: (sure, its kinda weird sounding, but it makes sense)
You, OTOH, just tend to appear more sensative to slights said about nVidia. You dont appear to jump on anyone as quickly or as harshly if they target ATI. But you dont fit the rabid crowd. Just the smug superiority one.
 
John Reynolds said:
Hey, I was called an Nvidia fanb@y last fall on several boards (assumedly for the sin of running a GF4 at the time). I then shelled out $325 or so for a 9700 Pro. Now I'm getting called an ATi fanb@y on certain boards. And before all this I was a big ole' 3dfx fanatic.

At least I've been consistent in one area and that's the CPUs I buy. Intel all the way, baby! :devilish:
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Don't worry John, you'll always be a 3dfx fanb*y to me. Okay, this is where I put the kissie smilie in... ;)
 
Overall the AA on the R300 is leaps and bounds beyond what I currently have
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Wow, didn't realize I came across as hating ATi that much. What would have been a better way to put it? ATi is hereby God Almighty and nVidia is Satan, evil incarnate?
 
Well, I've owned a R9700 PRO since they were first shipped, and while I don't agree with Ben's comments, there most definately were problems with the first couple of driver versions in counter-strike. I am a heavy counter-strike user (atleast 1-2 hrs a day), in a clan, etc.


First of all, in 4x and 6x FSAA mode, sometimes it would show only 1/4 of the screen (display mode get somehow fubared). Secondly, there was always this 1-2 pixel border of garbage around the screen. Third, smoke grenades caused weird artifacts. And fourth, sometimes the game outright crashed. Also, when I got C&C Generals, and it would do that "satellite photo" special effect, sometimes I would have a completely blank screen, and sometimes I would have a garbled screen. ALT-tabbing was an exercise in danger.

These were fixed by later drivers, but there is no denying that there were problems in the first couple of driver sets. I mean, why try to defend something that is perfectly reasonable? Everyone has bugs in their first few software revisions. For DT and HB, any criticism of ATI, no matter how small, is intolerable.


All the criticism of NVidia is justified with respect to cheating, and their fubaring of the NV3X architecture (why do PR based on doing more per pixel when in fact, your design does less per pixel because of legacy crap) But even though the ATI fanboys have seemingly "won", they still can't stomach any negative criticism of ATI at all.
 
Ben:

Some day you might realize that your selective quoting is insulting. Please note the contrasts of our quoting styles: you deliberately try to dodge the parts of your own words that are inconvenient by trying to pretend the rest of your text isn't there.

Russ:

Are you going to jump on the "ignore everything but alphatest" bandwagon? Because I think other things are directly pertinent to the comments I quoted, which is why I specifically mentioned them. In that light, your attack on DT seems rather misguided this time.

Demo:

Please read the first thread I linked, if you think your comments are equivalent at all to what I am alluding to. If you aren't under that misconception, then disregard that request.

Russ & Demo:

Please try to address actual fallacious statements by DT and HB, so criticism of them can do something other than turn this into another "sides" flame-fest? There are plenty of comments to argue with specifically if you disagree with them, without lumping people together or making posts consisting of 100% snide commentary. :-?
 
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