All hail the new Lord of the Rings

John Reynolds

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As Tolkien himself warned, the Shadow will rise again.

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Because Tom Bombadil wasn't a mortal. He was a bit like Gandalf and Saruman ("maiar", if I remember the term correctly). Sauron was also Maiar but a somewhat more powerful one. Think of them variously as either "Angels" or "Fallen Angels". ;)
 
Mariner said:
Because Tom Bombadil wasn't a mortal. He was a bit like Gandalf and Saruman ("maiar", if I remember the term correctly). Sauron was also Maiar but a somewhat more powerful one. Think of them variously as either "Angels" or "Fallen Angels". ;)


That explains it. I WILL read the book, one day, when i have the time. Promised.
 
Mariner said:
Because Tom Bombadil wasn't a mortal. He was a bit like Gandalf and Saruman ("maiar", if I remember the term correctly). Sauron was also Maiar but a somewhat more powerful one. Think of them variously as either "Angels" or "Fallen Angels". ;)

I think he was different again. I think he was more of a "green man" character.
 
Yep - but Tolkien's definitions are so broad that even such a green man/nature spirit type thingy is still classed as Maiar.

These are also Ainur as well:

http://www.thetolkienwiki.org/wiki.cgi?Ainur

Whatever all the geeky nomenclature, however, I think the reason Bombadil didn't go invisible was that basically he was more than just a mortal/elf.

I'll bet that most of the people who have only seen the films think that Gandalf and the rest of the wizards were human and not some kind of immortal spirit-type people as well!
 
Some fans even believe that Bombadil may be even more... I've read discussions that basically speculate that Bombadil may be the God of Tolkien's universe, the being who started it all (I can't remember his name offhand)... which would make sense, considering how powerful he is and what was said about him in the Council when the Fellowship was formed.
 
Read the simirilas(sp?) for more info. God is that a hard book to keep names straight. Theres easily more than 100 names of important characters to keep track off. ;) Plus the appendixes at the end of the LOTR series has much info.

later,
epic
 
Tagrineth said:
Some fans even believe that Bombadil may be even more... I've read discussions that basically speculate that Bombadil may be the God of Tolkien's universe, the being who started it all (I can't remember his name offhand)... which would make sense, considering how powerful he is and what was said about him in the Council when the Fellowship was formed.


Illuvitar is the name you're after.

Suggestions for what bombadil was range from that through the valar to maia or as a nature spirit of some kind.

Tolkein refused to confirm any of them and it seems he wanted it to remain unknown.
 
I came across this essay called What is Tom Bombadil? about this particular subject just the other day, I forgot in which context. But it is a good read for those that enjoy Tolkien. I lean towards the 'nature spirit of undefined class' explanation myself.
 
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