Market behaviour and pricing strategies for consumer GPUs

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Intel had to inflate their BMG-G21 die to ~AD104 level to fit the 192 bit bus.
This is a function of Intel's still poor architectural performance per mm² not anything inherent to the drastic impossibility of offering a half decent RAM pool for consumers in a given price tier.

Nvidia isn't actually skimping on RAM, they are simply selling you lower end parts with higher end names and prices. That's it. We dont need to pretend it's anything else.

It's greed.
 
This is a function of Intel's still poor architectural performance per mm² not anything inherent to the drastic impossibility of offering a half decent RAM pool for consumers in a given price tier.
Doubtful as the density is almost 2X worse than what Nvidia and AMD get on the same N5 process. It's either dark silicon - which is there for some reason - or Intel is lying about complexity - take your pick.
 
I want a 5090, but I'm curious as to how much I'd be able to get for my 4090. Looking on ebay and actual retail sites, these prices are ridiculous. They're still selling used for around $2000 - $3000CAD? That can't be right, can it? lmao. I'll sell it asap if that's the case.
 
I want a 5090, but I'm curious as to how much I'd be able to get for my 4090. Looking on ebay and actual retail sites, these prices are ridiculous. They're still selling used for around $2000 - $3000CAD? That can't be right, can it? lmao. I'll sell it asap if that's the case.
Selling something before you'll be able to get something else - or even before knowing the price of that something else - can end up being not in your favor...
 
Not if you're unable to buy something as good or better later.
In a scenario where a person has no other option, you're correct. I have other capable GPUs as backups however. I will not be without the ability to play all my games comfortably. I'd rather maximize my return on the previous gen product.
 
There’s a fair chance the 5080 will get close to the 4090 for less money than you can make on a used 4090 now. I say roll the dice.
 
In a scenario where a person has no other option, you're correct. I have other capable GPUs as backups however. I will not be without the ability to play all my games comfortably. I'd rather maximize my return on the previous gen product.
What other GPUs you got?
 
4070ti and 2080ti


I've got my heart set out on the best for my main PC. No interest in the 5080 at all.
You can game just fine on a 4070Ti. It would be a fine stopgap. The questions are:
1) How well will the 4090 retain its value once the 5090 arrives? Normally I'd say not very well but the market is strange right now.
2) How much and how available will the 5090 be?

Unfortunately we can't answer those questions for certain in advance.
 
In this scenario it should be easy for the competition to undercut their prices.
It is easy, but that doesn't mean they're going to do it. Because, ya know, AMD can be greedy too. Plus free market competition doesn't work when consumers stop caring about who is actually giving them the better value.

"Oh but consumers are deciding that Nvidia offers better value". We know this isn't true, and I really dont want to have to have the discussion where I have to demonstrate that consumers aren't all highly informed, rational people who are good at thinking for themselves like the alternative argument would demand be the case.

Doubtful as the density is almost 2X worse than what Nvidia and AMD get on the same N5 process. It's either dark silicon - which is there for some reason - or Intel is lying about complexity - take your pick.
Ah so you think Intel is deliberately running their die costs up for no reason because.....? Seriously, what on earth is this argument supposed to be about? You're literally proving my point, that Intel's architectural performance efficiency in terms of die space is absolutely dreadful. It's in their best interest to produce the smallest die possible for a given performance target, so if they didn't have to do this, they wouldn't. But they clearly cant deliver on the same level of performance per mm² as Nvidia or anywhere close and that's the only thing that really matters here, unless you've got some genius explanation why Intel would purposefully make their dies much more expensive with no performance benefit. :/
 
...Because they needed 192 bit bus to compete.
This does not remotely come close to explaining the overall performance per mm² deficiencies of Intel's GPUs. And you perfectly well know that.

It also, in fact, further proves my point about Intel's architectural performance deficiencies, hilariously.

In no world does what you're saying do anything except help what I'm saying.
 
It explains them quite well. Don't know why you think that it doesn't.
How do YOU not understand that what you're saying only proves my point?

If Intel needs a bigger memory bus to compete as you claim, then you're literally saying their base architectural performance per mm² isn't good or else they could and would shrink the die without needing the larger memory bus. Obviously.

Not that two 32-bit blocks at all explains the entire die space discrepancy. They are really that bad in this area.
 
If Intel needs a bigger memory bus to compete as you claim, then you're literally saying their base architectural performance per mm² isn't good or else they could and would shrink the die without needing the larger memory bus. Obviously.
The base architectural performance per mm^2 has zero to do with the memory bandwidth needed to perform on par with competition. I'm fairly sure that Intel will make a much smaller GPU with the same performance as soon as they'll have access to G7.
 
It is easy, but that doesn't mean they're going to do it. Because, ya know, AMD can be greedy too. Plus free market competition doesn't work when consumers stop caring about who is actually giving them the better value.

Yep everyone is greedy. Welcome to capitalism.

"Oh but consumers are deciding that Nvidia offers better value". We know this isn't true, and I really dont want to have to have the discussion where I have to demonstrate that consumers aren't all highly informed, rational people who are good at thinking for themselves like the alternative argument would demand be the case.

What would be the appropriate behavior for a rational, highly informed person in the current market situation? Seems you think over 90% of GPU buyers are dumbasses.
 
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