X360 - Protect discs from scratching (MS take note!)

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scooby_dooby

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These guys at llamma are really something else.

They've figured out that the simple additon of rubber pads to the top of the DVD drive, will prevent any scratching of discs when the console is moved from verical to horizontal position.

Funnily enough, the original XBOX1 had these pads although it was never designed to stand vertical! Did someone in the design department miss the boat? This is such a simple fix that would negate so many service calls and inevitable customer complaints/returns.

Here's a look at on of the pads, notice the circlular markings, that's where the DVD hits the pad when tilted:
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This is all MS needs to do to fix the disc scratching problem:
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http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/repair/Refurbishing-the-HL-Xbox-360-DVD-Drive.htm
 
Actually only XBoxes with Thomson drives (yeah...THOSE drives) had those rubber pads. Neither the Phillips nor Samsung drives have them. And now whoever makes the 360 drives (Samsung?) didn't use them either.
 
I know. Strange though that MS had already previously used these pads in a console that didn't stand up, then apparently forgot all about them when designing a console that was meant to stand both vertically and horizontally.
 
Yeah...it's almost like they didn't design and manufacture these drives and instead bought them from other companies that did. Very strange...
 
Give it a rest. It's an obvious oversight, and I'll bet you dollars to donuts version 1.1 of the 360 will have these pads.

The warning not to tilt your console is on like page 10 of the manual, bottom half of te page in like 9pt font. There will be MANY pissed off gamers with ruined discs over the next year.
 
rant/ Maybe they thought people would be smart enough to RTFM.

Oh I forgot. It's my right to not read the instructions and then sue MS because i moved the machine around while the disc was spinning.
Or how about I put the machine in an enclosed space, even though the instruction manual clearly states that it needs to be well ventilated. /rant
 
or put some 2cent pads on the freakin DVD rom instead of ruining $60 games. Might be a thought.

Or maybe but a big fuckin warning right on the front page of the manual. Don't bury it between 2 other bullet points on the bottom of page 10.
 
Or maybe people should just quit being retards and stop trying to move the console while the disk is spinning. You don't try to move your DVD player while watching a movie do you? You don't try to tilt your PC on it's side while you are installing software, do you? Why on earth would you try to mve a game console while playing the game then?

Because you are stupid.
 
Powderkeg said:
Or maybe people should just quit being retards and stop trying to move the console while the disk is spinning. You don't try to move your DVD player while watching a movie do you? You don't try to tilt your PC on it's side while you are installing software, do you? Why on earth would you try to mve a game console while playing the game then?

Because you are stupid.
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Powderkeg said:
You don't try to move your DVD player while watching a movie do you? You don't try to tilt your PC on it's side while you are installing software, do you? Why on earth would you try to mve a game console while playing the game then?
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Because it's a game console? Which traditionally can be moved while operational?

Because your PC is not designed to stand both horizontally and vertically?

People used to turn PS1's upside down to get them to play right, PS2 stood vertical and did not ruin discs, there is a precedent that has already been set. There's pre-concieved customer expectations.

This is the first console ever made that would literally RUIN a disc when moved. You could argue that XBOX1 had the problem, but xbox1 was never built to stand vertically so it's a total non-issue.

These are things you have to consider when designing such a console. That's why issues have already been reported, when xbox1 never was. They made a design decision and screwed up the implementation.

I think it's a huge oversight to allow it at all, especially when such an easy fix is available. And to allow it and not put a BIG warning in plain site is asking for trouble IMO. You wanna talk class action law suits?
 
Will the DVD just spin atop the spindle when it hits the rubber pad? Or is there the possibility that it could damage the DVD drive itself by doing this?

.Sis
 
Or maybe people should just quit being retards and stop trying to move the console while the disk is spinning.
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The bold part alone is asking way too much of the public. Discovering new frontiers in stupidity is what makes people people.

I recall a story about a couple who sued a ceiling fan manufacturer twice because they didn't put a warning that said "caution : do not toss child up and down while underneath an operating fan." The second time was because they didn't note that it also shouldn't be done when the fan is turned off as well.
 
scooby_dooby said:
Because your PC is not designed to stand both horizontally and vertically?
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Actually, many of the dell desktops are designed such that they can either go on end or flat on the desk. The previous generation of Dell servers (The old, bulky PowerEdge line) only had one major difference between the pedestal model and the rack model: Rack rails or rubber feet. Otherwise they could be operated in either horizontal or vertical configuration.

However, I will grant you that a console should be made more bulletproof: Kids simply are not as careful with a console as one would be with a $3000 server. (Go figure.) Of course, I've always been appalled at how badly most people treat their personal tech gadgets.

(Yes, sure... sit there and smoke a cigarette and blow it directly on your brand new $4000 hotrod computer. That's sure to do good things.)
 
Ya, and I have no problem with them changing the precedent, but at the very least if you're going to do something people aren't expecting, put a HUGE warning in plane view.

In the 360 manual, in the table of contents there are about a dozen section with big "attention/warning" logo's beside them, the "using your disc drive" section doesn't even have one of these logo's!

When you goto that section p. 11, there are 3 bullet points at the bottom of the page, one of the bullet points tells you to not tilt the console whil operational or you may damage the disc, disc drive or the x360.

It's tiny, there's no attention drawn to that section, not even a wanring logo! I would bet that a large majority of buyers will never read that line.
 
http://www.gameshout.com/news/122005/article1969.htm
GameDR Recues Scratched Xbox 360 Game Discs
Digital Innovations has released a new product called GameDR AutoMax, a digital doctor that repairs surface scratches or abrasions on most Xbox 360 video game discs in just 60 seconds.

Slightly larger than a computer speaker, GameDR AutoMax restores damaged discs to good-as-new shape with a patented motorized resurfacing wheel that removes a microscopic layer of plastic on the
playside while leaving the contents intact.
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Powderkeg said:
Or maybe people should just quit being retards and stop trying to move the console while the disk is spinning. You don't try to move your DVD player while watching a movie do you? You don't try to tilt your PC on it's side while you are installing software, do you? Why on earth would you try to mve a game console while playing the game then?

Because you are stupid.
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Discs are also being scratched in some cases with no movement of the console, they aren't held properly in vertical position apparently.
 
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