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You know whats really irritating.. going to sites that put up driver comparrisons yet take NO time at all to actually TEST the areas that were targeted to be improved.

Case in point the Detonator 30.30 drivers... It is pretty common knowledge that the new 30 series dets are aimed at improving Aniso performance. Yet I have read two driver comparrisons in the last couple days that offer NOTHING in the category. They just run the same 5 benchmarks everyone does and claim the 30.30's are not as fast as the 28.90's....

http://www.tweakersasylum.com/tapages.php?filnavn=Detonators/WinXP/detonatorxp.html

Then you get the exact opposite treatment from sites like Tom's where they wont even show what all the cards have to offer and just point out the differences...

there is pretty much a SEVERE lack of Quality in reviewing on the internet[/url]
 
Hey but the new 30.30's bench better under 3dmark so they must be better ;)

Looks to me the only place these have better performance is under 3dmark2001. Maybe all the Tom's hardware and anand's of the world should look over the results with a fine tooth comb and look for a drop in quality on 3dmark. Maybe there's an optimization going on there. Oh wait, nevermind, these are nvidia drivers. They won't do that.
 
It is pretty common knowledge that the new 30 series dets are aimed at improving Aniso performance.
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Unless I missed here something I recall only the Inquirer stating that upcoming driver sets will improve aniso performance.
 
few silly comments made me laugh, and i've been thinking , is this sarcasm ?



As you can see from the DroneZmarK benchmark results, the performance of the 28.xx/29.xx/30.xx Detonators is grouped pretty damn close together. WOW, this time the 29.80 Detonators whoop some ass and take both benchmarks by around 3 FPS!
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As you can see, the performance levels of the 28.xx and 29.xx Detonators are very close together. The new 30.30 Detonators do well under the 32 bit benchmark, but not so great under the 16 bit benchmark... Let's see if this trend continues
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OH Please, who still runs at 16bit? i don't think we're in 1998 ... ( unless you still own a voodoo 3 ) ( i've been stuck with one for a while since my system fried , games were my last concern when rebuilding my computer so i slapped my ol' v3 in there , :( )
 
As far as I can tell the 30.30s offer no performance gain with aniso. The only thing that seems to be fixed is the madbunion splash screen *bug*. Maybe it's the 30.32s that have an aniso fix in them.
 
I wonder where the idea that 30.xx drivers should "fix" the aniso "bug" came from, originally. Inkwell? NV? But everybody seems to agree that that's the sole purpose behind 30.xx. I don't remember NV even admitting aniso-performance on GF4 was buggy, and I haven't found an official explanation for the fillrate drop with anisotropic filtering enabled. Perhaps this is just what NV25 does? Does anybody here have some valid information on that issue?

BTW, Just found this:
The nVidia 30.xx Detonators are supposed to focus on improving the performance of their drivers when ansiotropic filtering is used. With that being said we decided to put together a comparison of Omega's modified 29.42 drivers, and the freshly leaked nVidia Beta 30.30 drivers to see if they made any strides towards maintaing performance as well as improving the anisotropic filtering.
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:rolleyes:

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I think it was one of those chinese whispers that said the series 5 dets would have a great aniso boost as that was the only thing the GF4 driver crew really needed to sort out.
 
Whoah, They were not saying that Aniso was "buggy". Just unoptomized. From what I had read nvidia had spent much of their time working on FSAA performance and had neglected aniso.

The 29.42's did make a big perfformance gain in aniso as shown on this site. It looks like That imprcovement has dropped off a bit. I was having Some issues with the 29.60-80 sets. Quite jerky behavior in some of my D3D games. 30.30 seems to have corrected some of that.

ahhh well. You kow I just thought of something really funny. Tom and Digit life are accusing ATi of doing driver cheats with Aniso. Even though ATi Aniso has had such performance from the begining. Now Nvidia improves their aniso in ONE driver release yet Tom and his Cronies are silent on the matter....

Who is doing the driver hacking here....

Or is it just Improved driver performance this time... ;)
 
nggalai said:
I don't remember NV even admitting aniso-performance on GF4 was buggy, and I haven't found an official explanation for the fillrate drop with anisotropic filtering enabled. Perhaps this is just what NV25 does? Does anybody here have some valid information on that issue?
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I've contacted NVIDIA with several e-mails, beginning as far back as February when I was previewing the GeForce4 Ti 4600, regarding this subject. Visitors to nV News also want to know what's going on. But they have not replied and it's obviously in their best interest not to let us know (at this time).

One possibility, that we've seen before, is that the problem has been fixed and are waiting to strategically release new Detonantor drivers. If this should be the case, I don't agree with this practice since existing customers could feel as though they've been betrayed.
 
MikeC,

I sent off a couple of emails myself yet haven't received an answer up to now either, considering anisotropy in recent driver revisions. As far as the improved aniso performance goes, I'll welcome it gladly if it comes with no image quality degradation.
 
When I talked to NVIDIA when they told us about Cg, I asked them about Inq's claim that Detonator 5's aka 30.xx revisions were coming out and they would sport improved anisotropic filtering performance. First I got a laugh, and then I was told that there was no major revision like that in the works, BUT they were working on improving anisotropic filtering performance since they were mainly focusing on FSAA before.

We've already seen how Inquirer pulls things from their arse, and these drivers/benchmarks pretty much says it all.
 
How would current customers feel "betrayed" if nVidia holds off on releasing higher-performing drivers? They didn't buy their cards for future performance, but because they performed well at the time. Anything extra should be considered gravy.

The thought that they're waiting for an opportune time to release them, as they did with the 8500's debut, seems reasonable. OTOH, the thought that it's just FUD also seems reasonable.
 
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