Peanut Butter... the Killer (or the Absurdity of Emotion)

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And if I continue to pummel you with statistics that say you're more likely to die from the natural carcinogens in peanut butter than from living next to a nuclear power plant, you'll eventually knock me down and stuff jelly up my nose.
When the captains of the nuclear industry originally offered the peanut butter equation, it didn't make them very popular with environmentalists and others who think we rely too heavily on half-tamed technologies and chemicals. The environmentalists, in fact, wanted to knock the captains of the nuclear industry down and stuff jelly up their noses.

But the peanut butter equation illustrates a point:



When scientists bang on their calculators, they come up with a list of things that kill lots of people, but don't scare us much.
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Likewise they can produce a list of things that don't kill many people, but of which we live in dread. Consider these disparities, for instance:
Scientists rate nuclear power as fairly safe; lay people are horrified by it.


Scientists think X-rays are moderately dangerous; lay people aren't so worried.


Scientists rate swimming as rather hazardous; lay people consider it rather harmless.

And this train of thought (ignorantly emotional conclusions) always amused me:

One experiment, for example, involved dipping a dead, sterilized cockroach into a glass of juice, then noting the percentage of people who wouldn't drink.
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In another trial researchers observed that people refused to put on a sweater worn by someone who committed a moral offense, or by someone with an amputated foot!
 
she isn't saying that eating peanut butter is particularly dangerous, just argueing that living next to a nuclear power plant is less so.
 
Thanks for the interpretation, kyle. I'm pretty sure we all had that figured out though... it was just an amusing title for the thread, IMO.
 
well i can see how your title was an attempt at sarcasim that i failed to pick up on, but i still am under the impression that Legion's comment was mistakenly directed at the author.
 
Reminds me of how scared people were around depleted uranium when I was at Aberdeen Proving Ground. You get more radiation from your glow-in-the-dark watch than from sleeping with a DU tank round under your pillow, but the DU scared people to death.

The real danger from DU is that you can get heavy metal poisoning from it, just like you would from lead. The radiation level is negligible. The nice thing about DU, though, is that if you can detect it with a geiger counter so cleaning up DU dust and fragments is easier than lead dust and fragments.

Just another example of how people, even engineers, can sometimes react irrationally.
 
I'm not trying to speak for Legion, but I'm pretty sure his comment (idiocy) was directed at the morons that wouldn't wear a sweater that a guy with an amputated foot had on...
 
The problem with trying to educate people who dont know how safe nuclear power is, is that they tend to put fingers in their ears, and mumble inconherantly while their eyes are shut. ;)

later,
epic
 
covermye:
As for me I don't care how Dr. Spock you all think you are and how smug you think you can be about it, EVERYBODY has quirks, hang-ups and preconceptions, rational or not. It's called being human.

Some stuff mentioned above is downright silly to be all snickery about. For instance the cockroach thing is pure Pavlovian unconditional reflex. Everybody has that, it's like serving a platter of the nicest meat you've ever eaten and finding out that it's a golden retriever... A lot of perfectly reasonable people will go hurl.

And the original author isn't even that smug in the article, she even goes to explain why we reason the way we do.
 
My personal fav is giving some high school students a chem lab... One watches them meticulously drip hydrochloric acid to turn some solution pink for say an hour. Of course, everyone must be wearing the riduculous white coats and goggles (for protection)

Then, much to everyone's shock, 'Heres to you Monty' I proceed to drink the acid and thrash around like im dying.

Works everytime!

Then I have to explain about relative solution concentrations...
 
MPI said:
covermye:
As for me I don't care how Dr. Spock you all think you are and how smug you think you can be about it, EVERYBODY has quirks, hang-ups and preconceptions, rational or not. It's called being human.

I fully understand it's called "being a human being". I have some of the same quirks. I find the whole unreasonable-ness of it funny nonetheless. For instance: I'm 6', 185 lbs and a former kickboxer. Put a medium-sized spider on my shoulder though, and I'll jump and run like a schoolgirl. I have no idea why... it's completely unreasonable, but I can't help it.

Get off your high horse and understand that I wasn't being "smug". It's funny, even if I'm the one with the "unreasonable hangup".

Some stuff mentioned above is downright silly to be all snickery about. For instance the cockroach thing is pure Pavlovian unconditional reflex. Everybody has that, it's like serving a platter of the nicest meat you've ever eaten and finding out that it's a golden retriever... A lot of perfectly reasonable people will go hurl.

See my comment above. I wasn't all snickery. By the way, another thing that fascinates me is how easily someone can be taken out of context on a message board.

And the original author isn't even that smug in the article, she even goes to explain why we reason the way we do.

Thank you. I wasn't "even that smug" either... you just wanted to THINK I was. :rolleyes:
 
covermye said:
I'm not trying to speak for Legion, but I'm pretty sure his comment (idiocy) was directed at the morons that wouldn't wear a sweater that a guy with an amputated foot had on...

Yeah, this is throw back to middle age europe where the mentality was "if you fuck some one with out arms your baby will be with out arms. So come all ye baby makers and breed with 'normal' people."
 
covermye said:
Thank you. I wasn't "even that smug" either... you just wanted to THINK I was. :rolleyes:

Well, I'm sorry if I misunderstood you, but the "ignorantly emotional conclusion" and moron-calling sounded just a little bit patronising, but hey, that's me. Legion may have tinted my perception of the tone in the thread, if so, i apologise.
 
MPI said:
covermye said:
Thank you. I wasn't "even that smug" either... you just wanted to THINK I was. :rolleyes:

Well, I'm sorry if I misunderstood you, but the "ignorantly emotional conclusion" and moron-calling sounded just a little bit patronising, but hey, that's me. Legion may have tinted my perception of the tone in the thread, if so, i apologise.


Or, more than likely you just misunderstood who i was addressing. the matter considering physical appearance is certainly something evolutionary psychologist love to extrapolate into meaningless jargon they call science.
 
Ok, you have for some reason a bone to pick with evolutionary psychologists, that much is clear, but so by "such idiocy" you meant... who?
 
MPI said:
Ok, you have for some reason a bone to pick with evolutionary psychologists, that much is clear, but so by "such idiocy" you meant... who?

People who fear physical deformities to the level of an irrational phobia.
 
Fred said:
My personal fav is giving some high school students a chem lab... One watches them meticulously drip hydrochloric acid to turn some solution pink for say an hour. Of course, everyone must be wearing the riduculous white coats and goggles (for protection)

Then, much to everyone's shock, 'Heres to you Monty' I proceed to drink the acid and thrash around like im dying.

Works everytime!

Then I have to explain about relative solution concentrations...

While pretty much harmless, wouldn't drinking any solution in a chemistry lab kind of go against the standard hard line of teaching students to keep things out of their mouths?

Granted, vomit itself is probably loaded with more HCL than a diluted sample for a titration lab. Would a weak acid solution be useful in whitening teeth? ;)

On the other hand, perhaps there is a bit of an emotional conditioning being attempted at schools much like what goes on with other popular hangups. I recall my teacher telling me the story of a chemistry teacher who liked to drink coffee from a beaker, who then one day during a lab with sulfuric acid didn't look to see which beaker he picked up before taking a gulp.

Perfectly anecdotal and unsubstantiated, but how else are you going to stop the people who like to eat paste from eating the specimens?
 
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