Installing YDL right now ...

Rolf N

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... and it's going absurdly slow. I've already dumped twenty minutes into the process, and now there's finally a "Remaining time" indicator while it's copying packages that currently stands at 25 minutes. I had some more issues with the flow of the installer, but the slowness of the file copying puts it squarely into pain realm. I'm not sure how many people could be arsed to go through all this.

Did I just use the wrong brand of blank DVD or is this "normal"?

Gonna be a bit hard to get a healthy homebrew ecosystem going when you have no users.
 
The install process sort of seems to hang around the 30/25/20 minute mark, but it's not - before you know it you'll be moving along again. :)
 
First impressions:
I hate E17. As it won't let itself be configured into a tolerable state, I'm trying to get rid of it now. Which leads me to ...
The package manager is complete junk. Unbelievable (mis)handling of dependencies.
 
Does anyone have the link to the newest edition?
I think I downloaded two versions of the YDL5.0 with BitTorrent the other day. . .
I'm not forced to format my drive or something during install or removal right ?
*Hoping so after ripping around 50 albums*

Sindre
 
I've got YDL ready and waiting, but I'm more and more getting the impression I'll be better off with Ubuntu or Fedora Core (5 or 6) ...
 
Does anyone have the link to the newest edition?
I think I downloaded two versions of the YDL5.0 with BitTorrent the other day. . .
I'm not forced to format my drive or something during install or removal right ?
*Hoping so after ripping around 50 albums*

Sindre

The 1.6 patch supposedly changed the way the OtherOS partition was created. So I don't know what the current situation is. But when I did it, yes it did basically reset the whole drive to factory default. Good thing I backed up save games beforehand.
 
Fedora 5 I think is the 'safest' mainline route to go for Linux on PS3 - I wrote a guide to its installation actually at PS3 launch for the Linux newbie: http://linuxps3.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=32

Granted, 'newbie' is not the majority of people here who are interested in Linux in the first place.

For me I like YDL in that the memory footprint of the UI is a bit lighter, but Fedora feels a little more robust. I'm on YDL right now because I'm not doing much in terms of Linux on PS3 day-to-day, but I plan to ramp that up shortly with a new setup that will see my PS3 connected on a regular basis to my monitor (via component inputs).
 
First impressions:
I hate E17. As it won't let itself be configured into a tolerable state, I'm trying to get rid of it now. Which leads me to ...
The package manager is complete junk. Unbelievable (mis)handling of dependencies.

It's actually very easy to change your default window manager. There are GUI dialogs to set up the thing. Gnome comes pre installed. You just have to go to a simple dialog and switch to it.
 
Is there a version of Ubuntu for the PS3 yet?

I installed this OS on my Pc about a month ago and I absolutely fell in love with it.. It's just so easy to use..!!

Didn't really do much with it however bar surfing the net and dowloading torrents but its a great little OS for those "new to linux" people like me!

I'd definitely reccomend it!!

:D
 
Does anyone have the link to the newest edition?
I think I downloaded two versions of the YDL5.0 with BitTorrent the other day. . .
I'm not forced to format my drive or something during install or removal right ?
*Hoping so after ripping around 50 albums*

Sindre
If you have (large) flash media or a USB harddrive, you can backup all your data to that to be safe. It's in "Settings"=>"System settings"=>"Backup" and is straight-forward to use. Use that, make a partition, then restore from the backup. The on-screen text may be misleading, so to clarify a bit: all your save games, ripped albums, demos are wiped by the format (but can be backed up and restored easily). Your user account information is preserved. You don't have to fill in your info again.
 
It's actually very easy to change your default window manager. There are GUI dialogs to set up the thing. Gnome comes pre installed. You just have to go to a simple dialog and switch to it.
It's too late for that now. And I wanted to get rid of it anyway ;)
The package manager has been doing its thing for the past hour or so, and judging by the network monitor it's because the repository servers are completely hammered (getting 5kB/s or so).

All I wanted to do was prune the stuff I don't need to have on the PS3 (printing, Samba, remote desktop, web-server etc). I want to play with Cell and for that I need space! The package manager insisted that to resolve these changes the Gnome desktop and all its child packages had to be removed, too.
I have absolutely no idea which of my removals caused that, because there is no indication for any of that. That's the big reason why I call it "junk".

Anyway, being used to how apt/Synaptic work I thought "No big deal, let it kill everything and I'll just bring it back including all true dependencies". So I let it remove everything it wanted to, and then I reselected the Gnome desktop. That brings us to the here and now. The packages are all fetched over the net. And they are large. I just hope the package manager has some sort of local cache to make any further adjustments a little smoother ...
 
sorry if i go off topic, but as a future windows vista user (when price makes sense), is linux (haven't got clue with all these versions :LOL:) worth installing on ps3??? i am planning to using the PS3 purely as a games console not as a blu ray player or media player (i don't listen to music)
 
I really feel given that post Antifanboyism that you should be able to answer your own question. Do you care if you have general computing accessible on your PS3? If not, there you go.
 
Is YDL the best PS3 distro right now?

With "best" I mean most optimized or most adjusted for PS3 and it's peculiarities etc.

Ease of installation etc is of course also important.


What about software patches etc? MS has windows update which largely automatizes that. With exception of the obligatory system restart of course. :???:
Peace.
 
BTW, Carl, it was a nice guide you wrote there (I read it even though I already have YDL and I bookmarked it because it was a pretty nice painless reference) :).

Fedora 5 I think is the 'safest' mainline route to go for Linux on PS3 - I wrote a guide to its installation actually at PS3 launch for the Linux newbie: http://linuxps3.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=32

Granted, 'newbie' is not the majority of people here who are interested in Linux in the first place.

For me I like YDL in that the memory footprint of the UI is a bit lighter, but Fedora feels a little more robust. I'm on YDL right now because I'm not doing much in terms of Linux on PS3 day-to-day, but I plan to ramp that up shortly with a new setup that will see my PS3 connected on a regular basis to my monitor (via component inputs).

I do not have a monitor that accepts component or HDMI input (I use a laptop), so I plan to keep YDL on the PLAYSTATION 3 (E17 is not that ugly and it is quite light on resources as you also noticed, it is barebones, but it works), plus I do not like to use a TV for coding (even an HDTV... I would also have to buy a Desktop PC and get a new monitor to use the PS3 purely as a Linux workstation).

I also think I will be connecting remotely to the PLAYSTATION 3 (ssh, VNC and friends are also your friends) and coding from my PC using either Eclipse or Visual Studio.NET (depending if I have booted Fedora Core 6 or Windows XP/Vista RC2 [yep, I am still waiting a bit to buy the retail version] even though I am mostly on FC6 these days)... more RAM, a more responsive system and most importantly Beryl and Emerald (Beryl's Window Manager) and the combination of an Emerald's Vista-like theme plus the nice Murrine's GTK engine and GTK theme I use for GNOME (it makes for a nice combination).

Just like I did with with PlayStation 2 Linux (I would really miss being able to browse on tons of tabs on Firefox while also using the flash plugin on sites like comedycentral and youtube, plus have several gaim tabs opened, plus have Eclipse, Acrobat Reader and sometimes OpenOfficle Calc and/or Writer opened [yeah, I love crazy multi-tasking, which is why I love the push to real multi-core CPU's :D)!

I prefer to configure, compile, update and work remotely and then turn on the TV when it is time to DO stuff :).

As far as yum dependency hell is concerned, look at this post:

http://boardsus.playstation.com/pla...by_date_ascending&message.id=1327987#M1327987

Setting up Fedora-extra a well as freshrpms will get you basically all you need (yes, including VCL, gstreamer08, gcc-compat, SDL, SDL_Image, etc...)... ScummVM compiles (I was able to install every plugin it wanted) and runs.

Fedora Core 6 or Fedora Core 7 (with GNOME 2.16/2.18) would be nice to have too, but you know... I suspect that in the long run (given the fact YDL is pretty much compatible with Fedora Core repositories) that YDL might be better optimized for PowerPC and CELL in particular compared to Fedora Core.

Of course if, when the Core and Extra repositories merge, YDL cannot take advantage of them anymore and remains isolated to its own repos... well, by then more and more people will have experience with installing and optimizing Linux for PLAYSTATION 3 so it will be even nicer using a wider used OS like Fedora Core.
 
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Is YDL the best PS3 distro right now?

With "best" I mean most optimized or most adjusted for PS3 and it's peculiarities etc.

Ease of installation etc is of course also important.
YDL makes a terrible initial impression. You can eventually arrive at a very usable desktop but it takes so long and it's so easy to shoot yourself in the foot that I certainly wouldn't recommend this to anyone who wants try out Linux for the first time. It'll be an excercise in frustration. Ubuntu (or Xubuntu which I personally prefer for some reason) show how neat and tolerable a modern Linux distro can be even for newbies.
YDL is the total obscure geek trap opposite. The first reaction you'll have when you first see it is that you want it to stop.
Rainbw Man said:
What about software patches etc? MS has windows update which largely automatizes that. With exception of the obligatory system restart of course. :???:
Peace.
It depends on the distro :(
Debian and Ubuntu have very slick package management systems, where you can install the latest versions of everything you want at any time, or turn on automatic updates.
YDL has a "Software Updater", too, but it doesn't hand out any information about what it does and when it does it. Though technically this is a Red Hat distro wearing multiple disguises, so there should be some serious support machinery behind it.
 
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