I am a conservative
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I have no idea who you're directing that question at, or even why it belongs in this thread.
He's being sarcastic John. 
It's something I asked Clashman in another thread too when he brought up a point about McDonalds and Walmart. I happened to call him French.
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It's something I asked Clashman in another thread too when he brought up a point about McDonalds and Walmart. I happened to call him French.
[EDIT] http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=221210#221210 [/EDIT]
Joe DeFuria
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Yeah, we have to forgive John here...he's a bit of a newbie political hack, so he's not always going to spot the sarcasm right away. Just give him a little time...
Man I guess im more a classic conservative than I thought ... I always knew that tho. Its why people who vote for the old conservative party in canada are often seen voting for the 'left wing' NDP and vice versa. I agree with about 90% of that list.
The recent merging of the neo con alliance party and old conservative party has gutted the support for the old conervatives. Both parties now garner less than 20% of the vote. About the same as the NDP (which saw its support double in the last couple months as old conservatives join the ranks) about 40% for the neo con liberals... They should merge with the conservatives... theres no diff tween em.
Its probably more important now to define neo conservative.
... I always knew that tho. Its why people who vote for the old conservative party in canada are often seen voting for the 'left wing' NDP and vice versa. I agree with about 90% of that list. The recent merging of the neo con alliance party and old conservative party has gutted the support for the old conervatives. Both parties now garner less than 20% of the vote. About the same as the NDP (which saw its support double in the last couple months as old conservatives join the ranks) about 40% for the neo con liberals... They should merge with the conservatives... theres no diff tween em.
Its probably more important now to define neo conservative.
Joe DeFuria
Legend
Geeforcer said:
Exactly! I'm not the one who can't admit it...
Joe DeFuria said:
Hack is such an ugly word, though I do take comfort knowing I'm not a partisan whore.
John, that was a pretty...interesting...list you posted there at the start of this thread. Funny thing with it is that real-world conservatives act pretty much the total opposite to almost every point on that list. Right now for example, Dubya wants to sign into law the banning of gay marriages based on religious grounds, and you're looking at the biggest deficit EVER in the history of your nation, whilst Dubya is giving "Bob" not just a dollar, but tens of thousands of them. Bob, of course, belongs to the nation's RICHEST percentage...
What about what happened to ex-senator Max Cleland, didn't the conservatives line up his face with Usama's and Saddam's in ads when he protested against the creation of the department of homeland security?
What about http://www.bushflash.com/gta.html ???
Interesting how the ruling conservatives say one thing but do another, don't you think?
What about what happened to ex-senator Max Cleland, didn't the conservatives line up his face with Usama's and Saddam's in ads when he protested against the creation of the department of homeland security?
What about http://www.bushflash.com/gta.html ???
Interesting how the ruling conservatives say one thing but do another, don't you think?
Thats the point of the list, of course. Make moralistic arguments, couch them in terms that don't necessarily represent the issue at hand but do make not agreeing with them wrong, and say "look, conservatives don't do that"
Whatever.
I can try some myself:
I am liberal. I believe in freedom and democracy for all people.
I am liberal, I believe in the freedom to worship religion as I choose.
I am liberal, I believe all men are equal and nobody should be given special treatment.
I am liberal, I believe in well reasoned discourse and not calling people names who disagree with me.
So why am I called a "neocon"?
Since when are people consistent anyways? Politicians want to get elected and remain elected, and they will violate whatever "principles" they campaign on to achieve that.
What's in the Democratic and Republican party platforms, and what they actually do when they get into office are vastly different.
What's in the Democratic and Republican party platforms, and what they actually do when they get into office are vastly different.
The problem is that for some reason the Democrats are tied to the term liberalism and the Republicans are tied to the term conservatism, when in fact both parties quite freely traverse the right side of politics. Being conservative doesn't have to mean that you're more to the right than a person that claims to be liberal, since 'conservatism' can be added to pretty much all political ideologies, on one way or another.
Except when I agree with using military force to get rid of Saddam, or having prayer led by students in school and not having gay marriage pushed into my religion, or ending affirmative action, and getting called fascist for believing in such things.
Otherwise, you're right, I'd never get called a neocon for such things.
Otherwise, you're right, I'd never get called a neocon for such things.
RussSchultz said:
I'm all for prayer and the pledge of allegiance back in school and the ending of affirmative action. But how will gay marriage be pushed into any religion?
Legion said:
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