Hideo Kojima linked to assassination of Shinzo Abe by.....

lol these "journalists" dont even bothered to do reverse image search

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i wonder it this "mistake" gonna be a meme.

war and meme and public manipulation. as kojima has envisioned in metal gear rising revengeance
 
orangpelupa said:
lol these "journalists" dont even bothered to do reverse image search

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i wonder it this "mistake" gonna be a meme.

war and meme and public manipulation. as kojima has envisioned in metal gear rising revengeance
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Oh there is more in the story

www.ign.com

Kojima Productions Threatens Legal Action Against Those Who Claim Hideo Kojima Was Linked to Shinzo Abe Assassination - IGN

Following a racist joke that linked Hideo Kojima to the assassination of Japan's longest-serving Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, Kojima Productions has threatened legal action against those who contribute to the "spread of fake news and rumors that convey false information."
www.ign.com www.ign.com

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This is why we need them to revamp some laws in the usa. This stuff wouldn't fly if twitter could be held responsible for what was posted there.
 
eastmen said:
This is why we need them to revamp some laws in the usa. This stuff wouldn't fly if twitter could be held responsible for what was posted there.
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Holding twitter responsable for incorrect tweets isnas nonsensical as holding the paper and the ink company for incorrect news on a magazine. In fact, a tweet is more like a random xeroxed poster someone glued to his neighborhood electricity pole than a magazine.

There are anti-deffamation laws as is, and they can be aplied to sue the actual individuals that made the tweets.

I personally don't think the hassle and cost of going after them would be worth it anyway since it didn't last more than 24h. It was quickly rectified, and all those that clumsily shared the false reporting were humiliated by the internet and public opinion. I bet there were something 10x the amout of people that heard the story of how "kojima was wrongly associated with the attack" then those who saw the original mistaken ones.

This shit is not new. Every. Single. Terrorist-attack/ assassination/ massacre. there are lazy journalists spreading random internet rumors, and I bet it happened before the internet with word-of-mout rumors too.

The guy I mentioned before: Sam Hyde, has been wrongly reported as a school shooter a dozen or so times, because he is an internet troll, and his internet troll friends love baiting journalists and news institutions just to expose their incompetence, and it works because most large institutions are way more incompetent than the avarege person seems to believe.
 
milk said:
and it works because most large institutions are way more incompetent than the avarege person seems to believe.
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Its more complicated than that. As more and more person didn't believe news from large institutions at all and prefer to trust news from random internet posts / videos.
 
milk said:
I personally don't think the hassle and cost of going after them would be worth it anyway since it didn't last more than 24h. It was quickly rectified, and all those that clumsily shared the false reporting were humiliated by the internet and public opinion.
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That ultimately is what's needed - society to take a strong stance itself against misinformation and to choose to source multiple sources, balance opinions, check credentials, and not jump to conclusions. Anything less is open to abuse one way or another. Peoples just gotta getz gud at thunking.
 
Shifty Geezer said:
That ultimately is what's needed - society to take a strong stance itself against misinformation and to choose to source multiple sources, balance opinions, check credentials, and not jump to conclusions. Anything less is open to abuse one way or another. Peoples just gotta getz gud at thunking.
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Yup, people need to learn how to think critically which I sometimes don't think a lot of people are capable of doing anymore. Having the government decide what is "Good" information versus what is "Bad" information sounds good on paper but is easily abused. Just look at Russia or China for great current day examples of the abuse of that power by the government.

Governments should never have broad powers to determine what a person or organization can and cannot say or potentially even what words they are allowed to use.

Regards,
SB
 
milk said:
The guy I mentioned before: Sam Hyde, has been wrongly reported as a school shooter a dozen or so times, because he is an internet troll, and his internet troll friends love baiting journalists and news institutions just to expose their incompetence, and it works because most large institutions are way more incompetent than the avarege person seems to believe.
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Hell, just look at the recent presidential election in the US. The media were so easily manipulated by the Biden campaign into helping Biden with the election. They were misled into thinking the whole Hunter-Biden laptop thing was a Russian plant, when it was real the whole time. And even now only some of the news organizations (like the NYT) have admitted that they were wrong about it during the last election. And now that the FBI has evidence that Biden knew about the contents of the laptop and Hunter-Biden's dealings, most news organizations refuse to say anything about it since it would expose either their incompetence or their willful duplicity. Bleh.

People should be skeptical of any and all news organizations, regardless of which side of the political aisle they align towards. Especially when a recent poll of news reporters had greater than 50% of news reporters saying that each political party should not be equally represented in the news. IE - reporters shouldn't report on both sides of an issue. Or in other words those reporters believe their news organization should only report on one side of any issue and the side they disagree with shouldn't have a fair say about their side of an issue.

Regards,
SB
 
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Yup, people need to learn how to think critically which I sometimes don't think a lot of people are capable of doing anymore.
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I think much of this depends on your environment. The right upbringing and schooling will teach this, like parents who indulge questions will set you on the right path from an early age but if you've reached adulthood (age 18) and existed only in an environment where you are told to just believe/accept this or that without challenge, then individuals may find it tricky to find another environment where thinking can be corrected. College/university is one such place but not everybody does higher education.
 
DSoup said:
College/university is one such place but not everybody does higher education.
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I used to think that as well, but increasingly it seems like many colleges and universities are leaning towards indoctrination rather than teaching their students how to think critically. But, perhaps I'm being overly pessimistic with some classes at universities that do not tolerate students thinking differently from whatever POV their teacher is promoting in their class.

Regards,
SB
 
Silent_Buddha said:
I used to think that as well, but increasingly it seems like many colleges and universities are leaning towards indoctrination rather than teaching their students how to think critically. But, perhaps I'm being overly pessimistic with some classes at universities that do not tolerate students thinking differently from whatever POV their teacher is promoting in their class.
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Bad professors will always be a thing, but I was thinking more about meeting a new circle of people with more open minds.
 
DSoup said:
Bad professors will always be a thing, but I was thinking more about meeting a new circle of people with more open minds.
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Ah gotcha. Again, I hope more students are exposed to that rather than just going into a very intense echo chamber with added peer pressure to conform. But again, I may just be overly pessimistic and I'm becoming an old codger. :p

Regards,
SB
 
DSoup said:
Bad professors will always be a thing, but I was thinking more about meeting a new circle of people with more open minds.
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You just reminded me of Jordan Peterson who is clueless about anthropology, zoology, economics, political ideologies and what not, yet because he knows how to talk well and he is a professor in psychology, the fact that he is delusional misinformed and carried away by propaganda, does not stop him from having a huge fucking audience who view him as a philosopher, an intellectual, a great modern mind for spreading the same misconceptions, myths and misinformation every uneducated individual believes.
The guy suffers from a psychosis and resentment and is in a constant crusade to fight "cultural postmodern neo marxists", "woke people" and "dangerous politically correct masses".

Its like seeimg a guy swaying a sword in public screaming to destroy non existing enemies, and everyone is wondering "what did I do?" and then he has an audience finger pointing at people just minding their own business.
 
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milk said:
Holding twitter responsable for incorrect tweets isnas nonsensical as holding the paper and the ink company for incorrect news on a magazine. In fact, a tweet is more like a random xeroxed poster someone glued to his neighborhood electricity pole than a magazine.

There are anti-deffamation laws as is, and they can be aplied to sue the actual individuals that made the tweets.

I personally don't think the hassle and cost of going after them would be worth it anyway since it didn't last more than 24h. It was quickly rectified, and all those that clumsily shared the false reporting were humiliated by the internet and public opinion. I bet there were something 10x the amout of people that heard the story of how "kojima was wrongly associated with the attack" then those who saw the original mistaken ones.

This shit is not new. Every. Single. Terrorist-attack/ assassination/ massacre. there are lazy journalists spreading random internet rumors, and I bet it happened before the internet with word-of-mout rumors too.

The guy I mentioned before: Sam Hyde, has been wrongly reported as a school shooter a dozen or so times, because he is an internet troll, and his internet troll friends love baiting journalists and news institutions just to expose their incompetence, and it works because most large institutions are way more incompetent than the avarege person seems to believe.
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No it be the same as holding a magazine responsible for incorrect news inside of it.

Anti-defamation laws are too weak and don't actually go far enough as the majority of the time those people posting don't have a pot to piss in.

The only true way to get change is to hold companies responsible for what they allow on the service. Notice how when parler was growing rapidly and the capital stuff happened suddenly they were removed from aws and google/ apple stores. But twitter continues to allow riot planning , harassment , cyber building and so on and so forth and not a single company is removing them from their platforms ?

It's time for the government to step in and start holding them all responsible for it.
 
eastmen said:
No it be the same as holding a magazine responsible for incorrect news inside of it.
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Painfully wrong. A magazine is a publication, which hires journalists to write for them. They have an editorial staff that is responsable for supervising everything published by them.

Twitter is a communication tool, that makes itself available for people to post their own thoughts on. It did not hire any of the people who posted incorrect news on it. It's nothing close to a magazine.

Peoppe can scam, lie, plan riots, harass and all that you are complaining about through the telephone or mail too. Should the telephone company be held responsable for what people say through their phone lines? Should mail?

Yes, people do shitty things. But we can't baby-safe the whole world. Its up to people themselves to take the responsability of not lying, scamming, etc, and everyone else's responsability to have some scrutiny over what they read.

The world is not a kindergarden, and grown adults aren't children, nor do I want big companies or governments to take it uppon themselves to decide what is and what isn't wrong, too dangerous, unsafe, etc. They don't have mine or your best interest in mind. Don't ask them to run your life. Its short sighted. You will lose a lot of power in the name of safety, and chances are you still won't have your safety in the end.
 
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milk said:
Painfully wrong. A magazine is a publication, which hires journalists to write for them. They have an editorial staff that is responsable for supervising everything published by them.

Twitter is a communication tool, that makes itself available for people to post their own thoughts on. It did not hire any of the people who posted incorrect news on it. It's nothing close to a magazine.

Peoppe can scam, lie, plan riots, harass and all that you are complaining about through the telephone or mail too. Should the telephone company be held responsable for what people say through their phone lines? Should mail?

Yes, people do shitty things. But we can't baby-safe the whole world. Its up to people themselves to take the responsability of not lying, scamming, etc, and everyone else's responsability to have some scrutiny over what they read.

The world is not a kindergarden, and grown adults aren't children, nor do I want big companies or governments to take it uppon themselves to decide what is and what isn't wrong, too dangerous, unsafe, etc. They don't have mine or your best interest in mind. Don't ask them to run your life. Its short sighted. You will lose a lot of power in the name of safety, and chances are you still won't have your safety in the end.
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Twitter is a publication that has people write content for them. Without that content twitter wouldn't exist.

Twitter should also be responsible for the content they distribute. They have moderation teams and tools to enforce their rules and so they should abide by the rules set forth from the government.

Yes the telephone company should moderate who has access to their telephone lines. The FCC is on that https://www.fcc.gov/spoofed-robocalls . Telephone companies should absolutely be responsible for who they let use their services.


I think the fundamental part that you are missing is that twitter and other companies are making money off people using their services to commit crimes. If your friend asked for a ride to the bank and they decided to rob it you would be responsible also with aiding and abetting. Twitter and other companies should face the same penalties
 
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