First Matrox Millenium P750 64MB review. 12158 on 3DMrk2001!

[Nappe1]

http://www.icrontic.com/?action=article&id=421&page=1

they got some VERY interesting results... especially on nforce2 platform P750 seems to be pretty different chip than parhelia. (efficiency can be now really called efficiency.)

well, I would be very interested to see another benchmark... Dave, any possibilities to get review units of P650 and P750? I would like to hear how it compares to cards on same price classes.

and oh... everything from parhelia is there, except it is cut in half. so 2 vertex units, 128 bit bus and 2 pixel pipelines with 4 texture units on each.

 

[mczak]

Re: First Matrox Millenium P750 64MB review. 12158 on 3DMrk2

http://www.icrontic.com/?action=article&id=421&page=1

they got some VERY interesting results... especially on nforce2 platform P750 seems to be pretty different chip than parhelia. (efficiency can be now really called efficiency.)

Can't agree. They don't have any P750 numbers on the nforce2, the diagrams obviously contain some wrong numbers (they mention they couldn't get any 3d scores on this board due to a problem). The other numbers don't look to be interesting to me, just slow. But of course given the Parhelia is about as fast as a Radeon 9000pro, I can't say I'm surprised. I don't think "Surround Gaming" is really an option on those P750/P650 cards - just way too slow with the possible exception of some hacked Quake1. Overall it seems to be about as fast as the nforce2 integrated graphics would be...
That said, it should be a decent business/office card, unfortunately there are no signal quality tests in this review. It has (in contrast to the G550) now two 1600x1200 capable TMDS transmitters and supports higher resolutions on the 2nd head.

 

[Psikotiko]

There is a problem between the nforce 2 and the P750:

http://www.matroxusers.com/forums/s...4f6b59&threadid=41735&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

 

[Nappe1]

well, the problem is that in Matroxusers forums, maker of review says that 3DMark scores with nforce2 are real...

LINK: http://forums.matroxusers.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41735&perpage=15&pagenumber=1 (mediaman is the author of review.)

and because of all this, I am willing to see more reviews. (which will be most likely to hard to find, because noone really cares about anything else than what's the fastest on the market on any price. ) Still, even with speeds it offers on KT400, it is very strong competitor for my 2nd computer (GF DDR now.) where TV-Out quality is number one priority and after that, it could be nice to get some more speed some elder games that I play with on LAN.

anyways, I am calling reviewers here (AnteP, Dave??) to consider trying to get review unit and making a review please. otherwise all the reviews are coming from sites like this particular one and I am not saying that this review would be bad, but more like I have seen better ones too.

 

[mczak]

well, the problem is that in Matroxusers forums, maker of review says that 3DMark scores with nforce2 are real...

LINK: http://forums.matroxusers.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41735&perpage=15&pagenumber=1 (mediaman is the author of review.)

ok he said it did run, unfortunately he didn't say if it also looked correct. But 3 times faster than on the KT400? Almost as fast as a R9700pro? Sorry, I'm not going to believe it.

and because of all this, I am willing to see more reviews.

I would especially like a comparison with the parhelia-512 (just to see if it actually performs half as fast, though the clock speeds might be different).

Still, even with speeds it offers on KT400, it is very strong competitor for my 2nd computer (GF DDR now.) where TV-Out quality is number one priority and after that, it could be nice to get some more speed some elder games that I play with on LAN.

TV-Out might be much better (as well as general 2d quality), but in terms of 3d performance you unfortunately won't gain that much. A GF DDR should score around 4000 points or so in 3dmark2001, so the 4600 the P750 scores is nothing to write home about. The other scores in that review also don't really indicate that it's that fast.
This card is just not interesting for home use - it's a 2d high-end card with good multi-monitor support and quite a few 3d features. Unfortunately it costs 2 times as much as a Radeon 9000pro but is only half as fast (at least as far as 3d games are concerned).

 

[OpenGL guy]

well, the problem is that in Matroxusers forums, maker of review says that 3DMark scores with nforce2 are real...

LINK: http://forums.matroxusers.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41735&perpage=15&pagenumber=1 (mediaman is the author of review.)

ok he said it did run, unfortunately he didn't say if it also looked correct. But 3 times faster than on the KT400? Almost as fast as a R9700pro? Sorry, I'm not going to believe it.

Especially when you look at the gaming benchmarks (like Serious Sam) and see how far behind the P750 is.

It seems clear the P750 + nforce2 numbers are suspect. This this is a 2x4 (that's two pixels per clock). There's no reason it should be close to the 9700 Pro.

Check out the 3D Mark 2001 scores at 1600x1200... the P750 + nforce 2 is 4x as fast as the P750 + KT400. Yeah right.