Creative drops consumer P10
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Derek Smart [3000AD]
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Mephisto said:
I saw that coming. Then again, who didn't? In fact, I had a discussion about this somewhere on the Net just this month!
Ummmm, isn't this very quote on the front page?
However, in reality there was never likely to be a consumer based P10. At the Wildcat VP launch they never signalled intent on releasing it, but rather 3D chips at the 'SoundBlaster Price point' ($99) or chips with more pixel pushing power for the high end.
P10 was designed over the last two and a half years for workstation use, Creative only thouught about purchasing them this year. It's going to take a little more time for real Creative/3Dlabs consumer chips to come through.
However, in reality there was never likely to be a consumer based P10. At the Wildcat VP launch they never signalled intent on releasing it, but rather 3D chips at the 'SoundBlaster Price point' ($99) or chips with more pixel pushing power for the high end.
P10 was designed over the last two and a half years for workstation use, Creative only thouught about purchasing them this year. It's going to take a little more time for real Creative/3Dlabs consumer chips to come through.
I kind of agree with Mfa. It may be more effort and costly to try and compete with NVIDIA and ATI rather than use their chips.
However the mid market is still open and perhaps 3DLabs and Creative will try to pursue that. Again though, this is assuming that the 3DLabs technology is not able to compete with the high-end cards at a similar time-frame and price point.
However the mid market is still open and perhaps 3DLabs and Creative will try to pursue that. Again though, this is assuming that the 3DLabs technology is not able to compete with the high-end cards at a similar time-frame and price point.
Derek Smart [3000AD]
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DaveBaumann said:
Not according to the interview they did in the last copy of Maximum PC. They indicated direct desktop competition with nVidia and ATI's suite of cards. I think I still have that issue lying around here somewhere.
Derek Smart [3000AD said:
Yep, I remember that statement from Creative as well (can't remember where though).
Anyway, this could turn out to be a drawback for getting OpenGL 2.0 out the door anytime soon. If 3dlabs is purely aiming at the workstation segment with OpenGL 2.0 it might not be where other players like ATI and nVidia wants to go, as they want a future OpenGL that can bridge both worlds (as they design a common chip for both the prof and consumer).
megadrive0088
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Not surprising. P10 was only a 4 pipeline design, was it not?
perhaps Creative/3DLabs will have a fully DX9, 8 pipe, P15 or P20 sometime next year.
perhaps Creative/3DLabs will have a fully DX9, 8 pipe, P15 or P20 sometime next year.
BRiT said:
Exactly as you said.
Just take a look on the rumoured details about R9500 (they were available on the Power Color website for a few hours - I copied it):
"Specification
Powered by the AGP 8x RADEON 9500 Visual Processing Unit (VPU).
Complete DirectX 9.0 support for precedented realism and sophisticated visual effects.
(...)
DirectX 9.0 and the latest OpenGL functionality allowing gamers to experience complex, movie-quality effects in next-generation 3D games and applications.
(...)
3D Features
Four parallel rendering pipelines.
Four parallel geometry engines.
AGP 8x technology support.
SMARTSHADER 2.0.
Programmable pixel and vertex shaders.
16 textures per pass.
(...)
Supports DirectX 9.0 and the latest version of OpenGL. (...)"
And Dx9 require 16 textures per pass only - there's no word about pipelines or TMUs or anything else.
PS: Of course, maybe PColor details were wrong, who knows but I hope, they weren't...
http://www.beyond3d.com/articles/p10tech/index.php?page=wvp3.inc
Read the last section from there - thats what to of the Creative big cheese's were saying at the time of the WildcatVP launch wrt P10 and the consumer market.
Read the last section from there - thats what to of the Creative big cheese's were saying at the time of the WildcatVP launch wrt P10 and the consumer market.