Clarification about your thoughts

[oli2]

I'm reading the posts on this forum since more than a year (and sometimes i post, yes, yes ...) and i definitively want to ask you all a question.

to begin with : since the launch of both GCN and Xbox, market share of both is let's say equal or in the advantage of GCN, Nintendo is making money with its console, Microsoft is losing.

The littlest event is analysed and subject to explain how good the situation the situation of Xbox is and how bad the one of GCN is.

As i said before, comments on this forum are like that since the launch of both consoles. Question is :
Do you still think you are sticking to fact when you speak about consoles ?

I shall insist on the fact this is not a Troll !!

 

[oli2]

To give an example of my thought, i often read posts with "there are no RPGs on GCN".

Question is : are there more on Xbox or even PS2 ????

 

[cybamerc]

Are you seriously asking if there are more RPGs on PS2 than Cube?

 

[Blade]

Well, PS2 definitely has the most RPG's.. and that's without including literally a truckload of PS1 RPG's.

As for GCN and Xbox, I'm not sure which one has more. Xbox has Morrowind, KOTOR, Summoner 2, PSO, and several others on the way including the impressive Fable. GCN has SOA:L, Lost Kingdoms 1/2, Evolution Worlds, PSO, Summoner 2, and a lot of good Japanese RPG's on the way. Who wins between GCN and Xbox IMO? It's something of a toss-up, I'd say.

Right now Xbox is winning, thanks to KOTOR.

 

[Teasy]

oli2

Yeah, that sort of hypocrisy is often seen on this forum. There just seems to be a lot more people on this forum who desperately want GC/Nintendo to fail then people who want them to succeed.

 

[zurich]

oli2

Yeah, that sort of hypocrisy is often seen on this forum. There just seems to be a lot more people on this forum who desperately want GC/Nintendo to fail then people who want them to succeed.

Really? Seems there's more N cheerleaders here to me. I'd list off names, but that'd start a flame war

 

[notAFanB]

oli2

Yeah, that sort of hypocrisy is often seen on this forum. There just seems to be a lot more people on this forum who desperately want GC/Nintendo to fail then people who want them to succeed.

I simply want to play games Nintendos success is moot to me.

 

[oli2]

Are you seriously asking if there are more RPGs on PS2 than Cube?

Of course not !

I just meant : where are the RPGs this gen ??? (if you compare with previous ones, both in quantity and in quality).

Some people are talking about the weakness of NGC about this as if the situation wasn't the same on Xbox and PS2.

The points i will speak about now are only for Hardcore games like us (forget the blind masses ...)

- I often read here that Nintendo is not able to evolve from his "kiddy" universe. But look, one of the most admirated (and it deserve this) title of the PS2, Jak & Dexter, was made by a man who wants "to be Miyamoto later" (read that on an interview). On GCN for example, you have SFA, SMS, ZWW. So, question is : why is it so cool on PS2, so average on GCN ??

- Third party support : IMO, there is more than enough support on GCN. That's clear that there is more on Xbox and PS2. But :
+ How many games are on GCN (one hundred, two hundred) ? I don't know but many ...
+ Are there less "good" exclusive games on GCN than Xbox ? Intuitively, i have to say no (IMO)

As i said before, these 2 arguments are marketing ones. I don't want you analyse that from the "blind masses" point of view, but with yours ...

 

[Teasy]

Really? Seems there's more N cheerleaders here to me

Heh, you really must be joking

 

[zurich]

Really? Seems there's more N cheerleaders here to me

Heh, you really must be joking

Nope!

 

[Entropy]

Yeah, that sort of hypocrisy is often seen on this forum. There just seems to be a lot more people on this forum who desperately want GC/Nintendo to fail then people who want them to succeed.

Maybe it has to do with the proportion of Japanese vs American posters?

Entropy

 

[archie4oz]

Hehe, are there any Japanese posters? I've lived and worked there for years and love the place, but I'm not Japanese so I don't count...

 

[maskrider]

Hehe, are there any Japanese posters? I've lived and worked there for years and love the place, but I'm not Japanese so I don't count...

I feel that they tend to post to local (Japanese boards) than any others. A very very small fraction here may be Japanese IMHO, but they are definitely not frequent posters.

 

[zurich]

V3 is the our only Japanese member that I know of..

 

[nonamer]

There's much more to success than just profits. There's also future profits to consider, as well as market share and future market share.

The Xbox isn't profitable now, but has more future profitability potential, whereas the GC is perceived to have very little. The Xbox also is perceived to will gain large amounts of future market share, whereas the GC is believe to will lose market share in the future.

 

[Magnum PI]

There's much more to success than just profits. There's also future profits to consider, as well as market share and future market share.

The Xbox isn't profitable now, but has more future profitability potential, whereas the GC is perceived to have very little.

why is it perceived this way ?

as far as i can tell from the figures is saw, the profitability of the xbox isn't increasing at all... where is the future profitability potential ?

i must confess that i could not find current figures about the financial results of the xbox division.. somehow it seems like microsoft isn't in a hurry to give them..

The Xbox also is perceived to will gain large amounts of future market share, whereas the GC is believe to will lose market share in the future.

what are the facts that makes people think so ? the fact that the xbox could hardly loose market share in japan ?

somehow i tend to believe that the optimism about the xbox line future is only because it is backed by microsoft, and microsoft is so much perceived as a successful company that turns everything it touches into gold..

in the end it often looks more like faith in the almighty power of microsoft than rationnal believe based on solid facts and reasonning.

of course there are also these claims from some analysts.. like the one from the cabinet who evaluated enron as "superperformer" weeks before it went bankrupted. couldn't remember the name of the guy nor the cabinet but he suggested xbox profitability was very near, it was somehing like a year ago... the last quarter i know of, the sales were halved and the losses were doubled from the same quarter on year ago

 

[Ozymandis]

oli2

Yeah, that sort of hypocrisy is often seen on this forum. There just seems to be a lot more people on this forum who desperately want GC/Nintendo to fail then people who want them to succeed.

Oh, please. There are plenty of Nintendo fanboys on this forum. Not as many as there used to be a year or so ago, though. I sometimes wonder if that's because of the Gamecube and especially of the Nintendo software released for the Cube so far?

V3 is the our only Japanese member that I know of..

There's a member named MrSingh who is either Japanese or lives in Japan.

 

[Johnny Awesome]

It's pretty simple really. The area where the GCN is dominating Xbox (Japan) is shrinking in importance. The areas where Xbox is ahead of the Cube (EU, NA) are both becoming a larger share of the overall market.

The other thing is that the real deal is control of the living room. This is really only a Sony vs. MS situation. Nintendo has no forward thinking plan to create a complete living room entertainment solution.

Microsoft is beating Nintendo in the markets that matter in the long run, and doing so at a higher price point with a better ability to capitalize on new trends like online gaming.

The Gamecube (at around 7 million) is behind the Dreamcast in sales in western markets. That's pretty bad.

 

[Legion]

It's pretty simple really. The area where the GCN is dominating Xbox (Japan) is shrinking in importance. The areas where Xbox is ahead of the Cube (EU, NA) are both becoming a larger share of the overall market.

The other thing is that the real deal is control of the living room. This is really only a Sony vs. MS situation. Nintendo has no forward thinking plan to create a complete living room entertainment solution.

Microsoft is beating Nintendo in the markets that matter in the long run, and doing so at a higher price point with a better ability to capitalize on new trends like online gaming.

The Gamecube (at around 7 million) is behind the Dreamcast in sales in western markets. That's pretty bad.

Where did you get the 7 million sold number? What exactly is the xbox's sell through number?

 

[Deepak]

V3 is the our only Japanese member that I know of..

There's a member named MrSingh who is either Japanese or lives in Japan.

"Singh" is an Indian surname!

BTW, there is a fiercely loyal Nintendo fanGIRL also....TAG