Yet another OC type editorial....

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  1. Hellbinder

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    This ones from the editor of barrysworld.

    I have to admit this kind of thing is really ticking me off... This is chalk full of speculation and misinformation about the R300...
     
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    why is it okay for cg and not for render monkey to exist ?
     
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    Glorified 8500???? He starts right off hsowing he is nothing more than a common mindless Nvidia fanatic. Looking at history, usually cards released for the up-comming release of DirectX perform WORSE in the current version of DirectX. Usually you hear somehting to the effect of.. "your not seeing tis full potential yet"..

    So, why is this even a damn point???? Even the 8500 scores the same...

    This entire statement is flat out crap. ATi says R300 will ship in August. Did this ass complain when everyone benched the 8500 against the Ti 4600?? why is there ALWAYS a doubble standard with Nvidia types.

    This sounds very, very questionable in my opinion.. No oen else has seen any issues... yet he claims to have them in the SAME games as the other reviewers?? And even bringing up issues exsisting in by his own words drivers 2 months before release... please... However i dont think there is even a shread of truth to this comment.

    Again.. the product is shipping in august.. this is long before They should??? Now its a "cheap shot" to dethrone the GF4... please.. Would assinine statements be made if this were an Nvidia card? Plus he is intentionally not telling the truth anyway. The GF4 Ti is still almost 400$

    If ATi is Meeting the DX9 spec.. and Nvidia has gone beyond it... Who is the one going off on their own??? Not Ati.. Its gets so, so frustrating constantly having to put up with Nvidia types constant use of inverted logic. First i think he is flat out WRONG about the vertex shaders.. Second how is the 1024 ops any different than the PS 1.3 Vs PS 1.4... This crap pisses me off to no end. It is misleading and dihonest. I cant stand Hypocracy. Besides, HONEST developers will be writting to the DX9 SPEC not Nvidias personal little PS world.

    Again... This is just absurd. This totally smacks of a secret Nvidia PDF.. John carmack HIMSELF said the 9700 had teh PERFECT FEATURE SET FOR DOOM!!!! The 9700 also has Twin Stencil registers PER PIPELINE..

    its designed for AAGP 8x..... What the hell kind of a immature comment is this in the first place.

    this is Straight up Bullshit. Plain and simple.

    This is again pure bullshit.. And what the hell is this comment at the end about pokey GPU????

    Please.. these last comments are just as absurd as above...

    What this is doing is demonstrate yet again the overwhealming mindless Nvidia worship going on out there on the internet. It is really really sad..
     
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    Can we stop posting this crap here? I could care less about some idiot's lame website criticizing the R300. If Anandtech posted this, it might be valid, but Barry's World? Come on. Let the morons with blogs write their diatribes against the R300. They're irrelevent.
     
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    mmmkay...

    Man, where do some people get off?

    That has to be one of the most hypocritical, self-contradictory "editorials" I've ever seen.

    I'd don't like to use the term because I think it propagates a negative attitude towards nVidia's fine products and those who use them without stupidity, but nVidiot is the only word for this guy.

    Somebody needs to tell this guy that the folks at nVidia are doing just fine on their own and they certainly don't need the likes of him defending them.
     
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    Thats true, who the hell is Barry any way?

    But, and this a big but...... what happens when this gargabe (not exactly the same thing, but you get the idea) is printed in major magazines, the magazines the average computer users buy??? That, imho, will have alot more impact than than Anand or Toms sites.

    Its been happening for a while now, and it does no good for the "underdog". AMD had to fight through this crap for a long time, lets hope ATI can do the same, for competitions sake.
     
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    Guys, Barrysworld in teh biggest game site in Europe... Its like HomeLanfed on steroids.. You can even rent game servers monthy from them...

    They are HUGE in europe.
     
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    Well, if that's true, then I apologize. I never heard of them.
     
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    Oh, I didn't realise (realize, for you yanks :wink: ) Barry's world was that big.

    That sux
     
  10. JF_Aidan_Pryde

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    Where's Europe?

    Kidd'in. :)


    DemoCoder,
    Blame barry, not the blogs. Blogs are cool. 8)
     
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    He's wrong anyway:

    Straight from tha ATi docs:

    I've met the guy that runs Barry's World a couple of times and I can say this type of 'editorial' doesn't surprise me at all...
     
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    How about the comment that it can only do 128-bit floating point, and nothing less? I seem to recall comments from ATi reps that directly contradict that. *shrug* It is pretty well established that most internet "journalism" is completely without even the responsibility and ethics present in print and media journalism. I don't think it is a matter of underhanded kick backs as some have implied, I think it is a matter of the natural response of some people to having their egos stroked by any vendor, and some psychological associatian of their...hmm..."manhood" with a particular brand and the "power" they associate with it. :roll: I'm not saying anything new, but it is interesting how misinformation and distortion flourish when that brand/"manhood", whichever brand it is at the time, is perceived to be challenged.

    Now, I believe that any human being is capable of behavior that we stereotypically associate with a particular gender, but I can't help thinking that based on the principle that a particular gender more likely to exhibit particular behavior due to the environment produced by social expectation, as well as biology/hormones, that the state of computer technology reviews would be much improved if there were a lot more women doing the editorials and reviews. Sort of makes me embarassed to be a guy, sometimes. :-?
     
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    I don't understand his argument there anyway. If the pipelines native precisions in 128Bits (and it doen't need pipeline combining, multiple internal passes etc to achieve that) then internally its going to be just as fast at 128bit FP as it is 32bit integer. Once it gets to the DAC is still going to be 32bit (or even 16, but I doubt it) integer.
     
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    obvioulsy in the UK and europe editorials like that from BW hold a lot of sway with the online gaming community, and lets face it its that hardcore community who will purchase this card (or not).

    I agree with Democoder in a way though, do we have to have every wrong statement about the R300 posted here?

    Maybe to learn where these guys are wrong so a constructive e-mail response to the editorial can be made eh. Over to you Hellbinder, let un know BW's response?
     
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    somehow, I have great difficulties imaginating HellBinder writing an email with constructive criticism considering R300...

    and I agree, I don't see any reason why every biased R300 article needs to be posted here. And yes, I have to at least try to understand HellBinder's point of view as being a some kind of fanboy myself (but for a different company though.), but isn't a bit too much try to make everyone love R300?? heck, as long as there is Graphic companies, there will be fanboys and biased articles.
     
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    Well, the nVidia presentation seems to indicate that you can use less precision for greater performance...perhaps it would only matter in multipass situations and other times when you'd be reading 128 bit data through the memory controller (depending on the caching system I'd think), such as displacement mapping.
     
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    I think Sweden is in Europe, I've never heard of any Barrysworld.

    Even if it was a more well known site, I'd still say that you should keep it out of here.

    I think I'm finaly going to get me an sig.
     
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    Same over here in France ;)
     
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    Hmm, thats barrysworld for you. :) They aren't quite as huge as has been said and they certainly don't hold much sway over the european/UK buyers (not that I'm aware of anyway).

    I agree with the above posts that you really don't need to mention every nvidiatic article blasting the r300. (that one was only a forum post :)). It's not too suprising that these are appearing (esepecially on somewhere like barrysworld :D) and there's bound to be a few more yet. Ignore them :).

    Personally I've never seen any point in brand loyalty, I'm a student on a limited budget and brand loyalty is not very economical.
     
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    I believe that Barrys World are actually owned (or at least run by) EB/Game over here.
     
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