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Hurm, I'm one of those communist fascist socialist liberal nazis who believe radar detectors (and apps that complement them) ought to be illegal, but that's a different side of beef entirely.
Of course, receiving calls should always be THE top priority for a phone, I can't imagine any handset maker that would allow a user to put themselves in the situation where they've locked out this functionality...
As for your general wish to have lots of stuff running I think you're a bit of a fringe case there with your needs, but there's nothing that should prevent having these types of apps backgrounded; most of the time both of them are just sleeping, waiting for external events; the GPS receiver primarily for both I suspect, some internet traffic also perhaps, at least for your Trapster friend there. Dunno how much navigation stuff buffer on a phone, vs. standalone units.
Yes, like running Spotify in the background you should be able to run a DLNA server the same way methinks. OTOH, where's the big need to serve up media from a phone AND at the same time message from it? ADD much, I'm tempted to quip, but I know better with you.
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I think you will find that the galaxy s3 has a longer web browsing time than HTC one x...granted it has a slightly bigger battery but still.
Hurm, I'm one of those communist fascist socialist liberal nazis who believe radar detectors (and apps that complement them) ought to be illegal, but that's a different side of beef entirely.
Speed limits on exceptionally good highways are simply a dramatic form of taxation.
When I am forced to drive 100 km/hr on a road that can easily handle twice that safely, it's absurd, especially considering how light traffic can be on US highways as compared to Europe...you know, likethe autobahn?
I have a drive I have to do regularly, that's about 650 km each way. Most of the way is pristine highways with little traffic. Ironically the heaviest traffic is in the Chicago area where you risk life and limb if you drive *only* the speed limit (traffic there averages 130 kph vs a posted limit of 100 or less, but they'll still collect their tax from you even if that's what everyone's doing).
So, yeah, I drive a whole whopping 150 kph in places where Europeans would be doing 210-240 kph. I still manage about 8.7 liters per 100 km so I don't feel too terrible about it.
Back to your regularly scheduled topic...
I had thought this as well, but:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6022/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-review-att-and-tmobile-usa-variants/3
My own experience test driving a One S (AMOLED as well) pretty much confirms this. If I'm doing anything else other than browsing (with a lot of white backgrounds), the battery life is astounding.
I'll be test driving an SGS3 this friday when it becomes available, but I'm going to guess my experience will be similar.
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Yes web browsing has typically been amoleds achiles heel, they just don't do white very well compared to good old led lcd tech.
Web browsing does thrash the battery the most outside of a very heavy game, it is still good though, I would like to have your opinion on cell standby battery drain, seems to be a problem with galaxy s3.
Back to the use of quads...I have found some apps that take advantage of them... a zip file manager and a video player...very very handy indeed.
Copypaste this post into RSPC and I'll reply to it there.
I assumed the need to zip files on a phone to be pretty much nonexistant, but ok...
What kind of speeds do you get (MB/s, up/down), just out of curiosity?Also, shouldn't video players use onboard acceleration, and not load the CPU. Video playback would seem to become incredibly battery heavy if all four CPU cores were utilized for such a task.
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Ha! I actually download and mess around with zip/rar files on my galaxy s3 everyday, I have packed my notebook away
Er I have no idea how to measure such a thing..but it did seem to speed things up considerably..by about 4x as a matter of fact..in both unpacking and compression..so it does work.
The video feature seems to be more for software encoding and I tried it on kishontis gl benchmark 3.0 1080p demo on software and moving from 1-4 cores made a noticeable difference.
Other features were also available in software mode but didn't seem to make a difference lol.
The software I used for both is .mx player pro and zarchiver, both offer quad core goodness.
X-plore root is another top notch pro filemanger that actually allows you to open up your directory in split screen for pc like cut/copy and paste sessions.
Edit: also I have other pro like power apps like photoshop touch, andcad and autocad ws..as well as what appears do be some professional grade art/sketching app, you can also get an app called stick it!. Which allows you to play 4 videos at the same time in minimized screens...should you be I to that kind of thing...so the potential for some decent computing is all there.
Er I have no idea how to measure such a thing..but it did seem to speed things up considerably..by about 4x as a matter of fact..in both unpacking and compression..so it does work.
The video feature seems to be more for software encoding and I tried it on kishontis gl benchmark 3.0 1080p demo on software and moving from 1-4 cores made a noticeable difference.
Other features were also available in software mode but didn't seem to make a difference lol.
The software I used for both is .mx player pro and zarchiver, both offer quad core goodness.
X-plore root is another top notch pro filemanger that actually allows you to open up your directory in split screen for pc like cut/copy and paste sessions.
Edit: also I have other pro like power apps like photoshop touch, andcad and autocad ws..as well as what appears do be some professional grade art/sketching app, you can also get an app called stick it!. Which allows you to play 4 videos at the same time in minimized screens...should you be I to that kind of thing
...so the potential for some decent computing is all there.
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I'd heard that. I'm not sure how much of an issue it will be on the US version. The One S had ridiculously good standby time (I left it at work with no WiFi when I went back to my older Sensation, and it was at 50% after 5 days). I don't know how much of that is HTC's software vs Samsung and how much of it is baseband efficiency.
I can see compression/decompression but DICEplayer pretty much eliminated any need for CPU horsepower when it comes to playing videos. I mean, they do pack gigantic hardware accelerators in these SoC's for a reason....
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Yes now I have bedded it in I'm getting brilliant battery life for a smart phone...indeed according to gsmarena the exynos quad gets better battery life in their endurance test than the 28nm s4..as well as spanking it on benchmarks despite the 2gb. Ram
The korean version looks to be the best one yet, exynos quad (best) 2gb ram, and lte make it a formidable device, there are rumours that the device will come a little thicker but with the same design, I'm b hoping that is a nod to an even bigger extended battery pack built in! or that PLUS wireless charging...now I'm being silly.
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Metafor : some vids are not supported by hw chips..that's where the software mode comes in...admittedly I don't use it very often as even if I had the choice between the two I would go hw as that Oscar better batterylife and better performance..but it's once to know lots on tap.
I assume Microsoft will follow Apple's approach of allowing multitasking with approved background processes instead of full apps.
My multitasking experience on iOS is even better than Android, thanks to some clever features of the OS's media player and also the work Apple did to comprehensively determine which app processes should be allowed to multitask. I can background both a video call and turn by turn navigation (MapQuest4Mobile fills the gap here fairly well) while I'm off browsing the web, and other standard multitasking convenience features, like downloading apps or store content in the background, is supported. You can even use Shazam to identify music playing through the iPod/media player in the background.
My favorite multitasking feature that I believe only iOS actually does is the ability to background any video, including YouTube videos, into the media player. YouTube is the largest source of custom mixes and covers of songs (as well as having the original songs there too many times), so getting music on demand from YouTube while I work elsewhere on the phone, or simply leave the screen off to save battery, is very nice. Audio lectures and audio books are also nice to run this way.
I don't get many app/content reloads when jumping around between games, camera, browser, phone, and messaging on iOS, and I get the added efficiency of the OS never running processes like full UI threads for background apps.
Then again, other than the lack of being able to run the audio from YouTube videos while elsewhere on the phone, my Galaxy Nexus's full multitasking hasn't brought me any apparent issues with processing lag or battery drain, so I've been very impressed with Google's latest so far, as well.
My multitasking experience on iOS is even better than Android, thanks to some clever features of the OS's media player and also the work Apple did to comprehensively determine which app processes should be allowed to multitask. I can background both a video call and turn by turn navigation (MapQuest4Mobile fills the gap here fairly well) while I'm off browsing the web, and other standard multitasking convenience features, like downloading apps or store content in the background, is supported. You can even use Shazam to identify music playing through the iPod/media player in the background.
My favorite multitasking feature that I believe only iOS actually does is the ability to background any video, including YouTube videos, into the media player. YouTube is the largest source of custom mixes and covers of songs (as well as having the original songs there too many times), so getting music on demand from YouTube while I work elsewhere on the phone, or simply leave the screen off to save battery, is very nice. Audio lectures and audio books are also nice to run this way.
I don't get many app/content reloads when jumping around between games, camera, browser, phone, and messaging on iOS, and I get the added efficiency of the OS never running processes like full UI threads for background apps.
Then again, other than the lack of being able to run the audio from YouTube videos while elsewhere on the phone, my Galaxy Nexus's full multitasking hasn't brought me any apparent issues with processing lag or battery drain, so I've been very impressed with Google's latest so far, as well.
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I believe Apple's background/multitasking arrangement for third-party apps include:
1. Requesting up to 10 minutes of do anything except UI updates in the background so the app has time to finish up whatever it's doing. Basically up to 10 minutes of "true" multitasking although the app should minimize it's RAM usage to avoid premature termination due to RAM pressure from the foreground app.
2. Continuously play audio in the background.
3. Monitor for or continue VOIP calls in the background.
4. Track and respond to location changes in the background.
5. Schedule a local notification.
6. Monitor and act on Bluetooth or 30-pin connector accessory data in the background.
7. Newsstand apps can download content in the background.
8. Airplay to stream media content off the device in the background.
Are there any other major types of background usage that iOS is missing that Microsoft could add? It does seem that if most common background tasks are supported via spinning off small background processes and the system RAM is large enough so that multiple applications can be tombstoned without eviction allowing instant UI resume and the appearance the app was always running then there is no need for "true" multitasking to allow multiple full apps to be running in the background.
1. Requesting up to 10 minutes of do anything except UI updates in the background so the app has time to finish up whatever it's doing. Basically up to 10 minutes of "true" multitasking although the app should minimize it's RAM usage to avoid premature termination due to RAM pressure from the foreground app.
2. Continuously play audio in the background.
3. Monitor for or continue VOIP calls in the background.
4. Track and respond to location changes in the background.
5. Schedule a local notification.
6. Monitor and act on Bluetooth or 30-pin connector accessory data in the background.
7. Newsstand apps can download content in the background.
8. Airplay to stream media content off the device in the background.
Are there any other major types of background usage that iOS is missing that Microsoft could add? It does seem that if most common background tasks are supported via spinning off small background processes and the system RAM is large enough so that multiple applications can be tombstoned without eviction allowing instant UI resume and the appearance the app was always running then there is no need for "true" multitasking to allow multiple full apps to be running in the background.
On the topic of connecting to and driving an HDTV, it's handled fairly functionally on iOS. Many apps automatically detect and switch to a dedicated display mode for the HDTV and sometimes even a separate, complementary display for the iOS device.
The only issue is that Apple way overprices their HDMI adapter and AirPlay solutions.
The only issue is that Apple way overprices their HDMI adapter and AirPlay solutions.
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I must admit I'm warmer to the tombstones idea than I was now it is being implemented better.
However what is the practical use for restricting your phone like that?? There no longer is one.
I can do what I want on my galaxy s3 with no limits, my phone is thinner than any apple or Microsoft phone ever made, it also gets better battery life than any wp7 device and depending on which reviews you read it gets either a bit better or a bit worse battery than a match box iphone 4s...
So tell me what is the point of restricting devices when there is no need?
Edit: the same hardware restriction nonsense is being banded about by elop and Intel regarding multicores hd screens etc etc. That they drain your battery and they are doing us all a massive favour by restricting them from us...like performance and features are some kind of taboo, a guilty pleasure that we will want and use bit will only do us harm (to our batterylife )
There is no solid evidence that any of these features Microsoft and apple are restricting us from are not wanted or can be implemented in a smartphone that's thin and has good batterylife. None.
I'm fed up of companies using the same excuses when in reality is all because they want to save hardware costs (batteries, processors,screens etc)..it has no benefit to the consumer.
Android has some similar going on with ui skinning and updates.
However what is the practical use for restricting your phone like that?? There no longer is one.
I can do what I want on my galaxy s3 with no limits, my phone is thinner than any apple or Microsoft phone ever made, it also gets better battery life than any wp7 device and depending on which reviews you read it gets either a bit better or a bit worse battery than a match box iphone 4s...
So tell me what is the point of restricting devices when there is no need?
Edit: the same hardware restriction nonsense is being banded about by elop and Intel regarding multicores hd screens etc etc. That they drain your battery and they are doing us all a massive favour by restricting them from us...like performance and features are some kind of taboo, a guilty pleasure that we will want and use bit will only do us harm (to our batterylife
)There is no solid evidence that any of these features Microsoft and apple are restricting us from are not wanted or can be implemented in a smartphone that's thin and has good batterylife. None.
I'm fed up of companies using the same excuses when in reality is all because they want to save hardware costs (batteries, processors,screens etc)..it has no benefit to the consumer.
Android has some similar going on with ui skinning and updates.
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Yup, on the Denon (AVR-2312) bandwagon as well but then they might as well license the Apple TV to be entirely integrated in the products heh.
